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  • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
    You still deflecting?????

    Unbelievable!!!!!


    One more time: DID MANNY PACQUIAO LIE ABOUT HIS SHOULDER?


    WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER, ADP02?

    Man you are loonie!!!!


    I already explained it before and explained it now.

    Is your question, "Was Manny injured?" YES

    Was he injured coming into the fight? DEFINITELY!!! All it took to aggravate it further is throwing his right and it eventually tore completely.


    Did he possibly lie after to cover up the issue with the pre-fight medical form (checkbox) so that the NSAC cannot go after him and possibly others who were going to sue him. If the statements that you posted are correct then it is a possibility, yes.


    What is the point of these types of questioning? NOTHING!!!

    Travestyny even DEFLECTs on the simplest of questions. What is your freaking point!!!


    .

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    • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
      Or De La Hoya.

      He had an IV after the weigh-in. Yet we never heard anything about Nevada saying that he was dehydrated.

      He so obviously was. Miraculously, he passed the physical.
      Why has WADA done this?
      The manipulation WADA is targeting here is the use
      of an IV infusion to
      change blood test results (such as hematocrit where
      EPO is being used),
      urine tests results (by dilution), use in ‘weight s
      ports’ where an infusion will
      restore deliberately depleted hydration levels afte
      r the ‘weight-in’ and as part
      of blood doping.
      How should doctors manage the circumstances where t
      hey believe an
      athlete requires intravenous fluids?
      The WADA Code is clear; a retrospective TUE applica
      tion should be made to
      the appropriate TUE committee. The basis of the app
      lication and the
      deliberation of the TUEC will be on the interpretat
      ion of whether there was an
      acute medical situation and whether the infusion wa
      s the reasonable
      treatment. Therefore the information a doctor will
      need to provide to the TUEC
      must include the clinical circumstances that demons
      trates urgency and the
      appropriateness of an infusion.
      Unfortunately WADA has deliberately not defined the
      se circumstances.
      What are examples where it would be reasonable to u
      se an IV infusion?
      WADA has not as yet given specific guidance.
      ASDMAC has discussed the clinical circumstances whe
      re the committee
      would be comfortable approving a retrospective TUE.
      These would include
      the treatment of any acute medical condition where
      an IV line was essential,
      where there are significant acute changes to the vi
      tal signs or where there has
      been confirmation of the need for an IV by another
      independent doctor.
      Examples would be a severely dehydrated athlete wit
      h signs of circulatory
      compromise, the need for an IV line during a surgic
      al procedure, an IV line in
      the antibiotic treatment of an acute infection, etc
      .
      What are examples where it would not be reasonable
      to use an infusion?
      Circumstances where the condition was other than ac
      ute and/or there was an
      absence of significant change to the vital signs of
      the individual.
      Examples include the treatment of dehydration witho
      ut significant signs of
      circulatory stress (weight loss is not considered a
      vital sign alone) or the use
      of an IV infusion as a ‘recovery’ tool. It is worth
      noting that the evidence is that
      oral rehydration is superior to IV rehydration unle
      ss there are circulatory signs
      of collapse.
      It goes without saying that any use of an IV infusi
      on immediately prior to a
      drug test (whether blood or urine) would be conside
      red highly su****ious and
      should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.
      It is worth remembering that an inappropriate use o
      f an IV infusion could
      generate a doping violation charge against the doct
      or-------------- here is a very good article, did floyd meet the criteria NOOOOOOO

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      • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
        Man you are loonie!!!!


        I already explained it before and explained it now.

        Is your question, "Was Manny injured?" YES

        Was he injured coming into the fight? DEFINITELY!!! All it took to aggravate it further is throwing his right and it eventually tore completely.


        Did he possibly lie after to cover up the issue with the pre-fight medical form (checkbox) so that the NSAC cannot go after him and possibly others who were going to sue him. If the statements that you posted are correct then it is a possibility, yes.


        What is the point of these types of questioning? NOTHING!!!

        Travestyny even DEFLECTs on the simplest of questions. What is your freaking point!!!


        .
        I'm not asking what was a possibility, deflector.


        I'm asking you did he lie? Yes or no?


        He said straight from his mouth:

        I HAD NO INJURY
        I WAS 100% GOING INTO THE FIGHT


        His doctor said:
        HE WAS AT FULL STRENGTH GOING INTO THE FIGHT.

        Arum said:
        HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PAIN GOING INTO THE FIGHT.

        Koncz said:
        HE HAD NO PAIN GOING INTO THE FIGHT.


        ARE YOU TELLING ME THESE ARE ALL LIES? YES OR NO?

        It's hysterical witnessing you squirm! Keep DEFLECTING!!!

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        • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
          We've been through this man times. That's not what the rules say:





          It has been stated by USADA that the DCO witnessed Floyd's physical condition that made the IV necessary. Until anyone finds out what that was, that only leaves speculation.

          For some of you, it is soooo important if he took this IV. Most of us with a brain don't give a shlt UNLESS it can be proven that he took PED'S.

          BUT WHEN I ASK YOU GUYS TO EXPLAIN HOW HE DILUTED HIS URINE SAMPLE WITH AN IV AND FOOLED THE SPECIFIC GRAVITY TEST DONE BY THE DCO AND THE SPECIFIC GRAVITY TEST DONE BY THE INDEPENDENT WADA LAB.....

          NOTHING.
          You keep forgetting that the above only comes into play if it was an emergency, sitting in your lounge room with an IV in your arm for mild dehydration doesn't cut it, answer this question, WHY WASNT HE TAKEN TO HOSPITAL, where he could have been accessed properly

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          • Originally posted by Shape up View Post
            Why has WADA done this?
            The manipulation WADA is targeting here is the use
            of an IV infusion to
            change blood test results (such as hematocrit where
            EPO is being used),
            urine tests results (by dilution), use in ‘weight s
            ports’ where an infusion will
            restore deliberately depleted hydration levels afte
            r the ‘weight-in’ and as part
            of blood doping.
            How should doctors manage the circumstances where t
            hey believe an
            athlete requires intravenous fluids?
            The WADA Code is clear; a retrospective TUE applica
            tion should be made to
            the appropriate TUE committee. The basis of the app
            lication and the
            deliberation of the TUEC will be on the interpretat
            ion of whether there was an
            acute medical situation and whether the infusion wa
            s the reasonable
            treatment. Therefore the information a doctor will
            need to provide to the TUEC
            must include the clinical circumstances that demons
            trates urgency and the
            appropriateness of an infusion.
            Unfortunately WADA has deliberately not defined the
            se circumstances.

            What are examples where it would be reasonable to u
            se an IV infusion?
            WADA has not as yet given specific guidance.
            ASDMAC has discussed the clinical circumstances whe
            re the committee
            would be comfortable approving a retrospective TUE.
            These would include
            the treatment of any acute medical condition where
            an IV line was essential,
            where there are significant acute changes to the vi
            tal signs or where there has
            been confirmation of the need for an IV by another
            independent doctor.

            Examples would be a severely dehydrated athlete wit
            h signs of circulatory
            compromise, the need for an IV line during a surgic
            al procedure, an IV line in
            the antibiotic treatment of an acute infection, etc
            .
            What are examples where it would not be reasonable
            to use an infusion?
            Circumstances where the condition was other than ac
            ute and/or there was an
            absence of significant change to the vital signs of
            the individual.
            Examples include the treatment of dehydration witho
            ut significant signs of
            circulatory stress (weight loss is not considered a
            vital sign alone) or the use
            of an IV infusion as a ‘recovery’ tool. It is worth
            noting that the evidence is that
            oral rehydration is superior to IV rehydration unle
            ss there are circulatory signs
            of collapse.
            It goes without saying that any use of an IV infusi
            on immediately prior to a
            drug test (whether blood or urine) would be conside
            red highly su****ious and
            should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.
            It is worth remembering that an inappropriate use o
            f an IV infusion could
            generate a doping violation charge against the doct
            or-------------- here is a very good article, did floyd meet the criteria NOOOOOOO
            Did you read what you just posted? Even the article states that WADA hasn't clearly defined what would be necessary.


            On the other hand,what do we know?

            1. The DCO was present at the time of the IV and witnessed Mayweather's physical condition that caused the need for the IV.

            2. The TUEC approved the application without Mayweather's name on the application. Why would they do that???

            3. Urine samples were taken from BEFORE the IV and AFTER the IV. Nothing illegal in his system BEFORE...nothing illegal in his system AFTER.


            This isn't hard to understand.

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            • Originally posted by Shape up View Post
              You keep forgetting that the above only comes into play if it was an emergency, sitting in your lounge room with an IV in your arm for mild dehydration doesn't cut it, answer this question, WHY WASNT HE TAKEN TO HOSPITAL, where he could have been accessed properly
              You don't have to be taken to a hospital to be assessed (I think that's what you mean) properly.

              If you had to be, then the rules wouldn't allow for an IV to be given on a playing field, now would it?

              If a paramedic comes to your home, I'm pretty sure he/she can assess the situation right there. And you still won't accept that the rules do NOT state that it has to be in a hospital. The section you were reading was a recommendation about how to properly treat an athlete patient. Of course you want to treat a patient someplace that is clean and safe. You're confusing this with necessity for their rules. That is not the case.


              And you're still ducking the point. How does he dilute his urine sample with an IV if a sample is given from before and after the IV, and both are checked by the DCO and the WADA lab for dilution?
              Last edited by travestyny; 10-08-2017, 03:38 AM.

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              • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                HAVE FLOYD CHANGE THE CONTRACT?????? Dude. You've been going on and on about this, and you still have no idea what the **** you are talking about????

                Floyd wasn't responsible for any lack of transparency, you buffoon. Neither is USADA. It was WADA's rules that they wanted to tweak. Once Pacquiao asked for that, USADA went back to Floyd and told him what Pacquiao wanted, and Mayweather agreed that it was no problem.


                Now EXPLAIN HOW HE DILUTED HIS URINE TO MASK PED'S....THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY CHECKED FOR DILUTION BY THE DCO AND THE INDEPENDENT WADA LAB.


                Go!
                Sorry but that is YOU!!!

                Critics have pointed out USADA's lack of transparency or am I making this up?


                If you didn't know and I asked you these scenarios that factually occurred. would you say to me that it was impossible????:

                1) Lance Armstrong was on PEDs. The DCO was there. Lance Armstrong's doc smuggled the IV and gave the IV to Armstrong. It may have taken 15-20 minutes ....


                - You would have said that is impossible for a number of reasons including that the DCO is always supposed to be able to see you.
                - That the doctor would have to be in on it.
                - That the DCO would have to be in on it.




                2) Lance Armstrong used PEDs and provided a RETRO prescription that was back dated.
                You would have said that is impossible because:
                - That the doctor would have to be in on it.
                - That the DCO would have to be in on it.
                - That the UCI would have to be in on it.
                - That the UCI has caught other athletes so what made Lance so special?



                Athletes have cheated without the luxury of having USADA on their side, as is the case with Floyd. Yet you act like Floyd's scenario was cheat proof???????

                WOW!!!



                USADA/WADA admits that the athlete is often 1 or 2 steps ahead of the tester. So the situation or gift that was provided to Floyd was a big thank you for the money that Floyd's reps gave to USADA.

                Remember that Floyd DELAYED 6+ hours and was provided with 2 BANNED IVs!





                USADA's Travis Tygart

                Q: If I had 72 hours, could I mask EPO?

                A: "Yeah."

                Q: If I knew it was coming, I could mask it?

                A: "Yeah. Same with steroids."

                Q: How quickly could I mask it? What's the shortest time frame, if I knew it was coming, that I could mask it?

                A: "I mean, we do not notice. We literally show up, and knock on a door, and we find them."

                Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask it? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?

                A: "Yep, all that."

                Q: If I knew 10 minutes before test, could I mask it?

                A: "Yep...........

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                • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                  Sorry but that is YOU!!!

                  Critics have pointed out USADA's lack of transparency or am I making this up?


                  If you didn't know and I asked you these scenarios that factually occurred. would you say to me that it was impossible????:

                  1) Lance Armstrong was on PEDs. The DCO was there. Lance Armstrong's doc smuggled the IV and gave the IV to Armstrong. It may have taken 15-20 minutes ....


                  - You would have said that is impossible for a number of reasons including that the DCO is always supposed to be able to see you.
                  - That the doctor would have to be in on it.
                  - That the DCO would have to be in on it.




                  2) Lance Armstrong used PEDs and provided a RETRO prescription that was back dated.
                  You would have said that is impossible because:
                  - That the doctor would have to be in on it.
                  - That the DCO would have to be in on it.
                  - That the UCI would have to be in on it.
                  - That the UCI has caught other athletes so what made Lance so special?



                  Athletes have cheated without the luxury of having USADA on their side, as is the case with Floyd. Yet you act like Floyd's scenario was cheat proof???????

                  WOW!!!



                  USADA/WADA admits that the athlete is often 1 or 2 steps ahead of the tester. So the situation or gift that was provided to Floyd was a big thank you for the money that Floyd's reps gave to USADA.

                  Remember that Floyd DELAYED 6+ hours and was provided with 2 BANNED IVs!





                  USADA's Travis Tygart

                  Q: If I had 72 hours, could I mask EPO?

                  A: "Yeah."

                  Q: If I knew it was coming, I could mask it?

                  A: "Yeah. Same with steroids."

                  Q: How quickly could I mask it? What's the shortest time frame, if I knew it was coming, that I could mask it?

                  A: "I mean, we do not notice. We literally show up, and knock on a door, and we find them."

                  Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask it? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?

                  A: "Yep, all that."

                  Q: If I knew 10 minutes before test, could I mask it?

                  A: "Yep...........

                  Oh my god. LANCE AMRSTRONG AGAIN????? REALLYYYYY????? DEFLECTION!!!!!!!


                  HOW DID HE DELAY 6 HOURS WHEN HE GAVE A PARTIAL SAMPLE FROM BEFORE THE IV.

                  EXPLAIN ADP02


                  YOU'RE TRYING TO ARGUE THAT MAYWEATHER CAN CHEAT A TEST IF HE KNEW ABOUT IT 10 MINUTES BEFORE.........AND HE PAID OFF USADA AND NEEDED A TUE????

                  YOU'RE A DUMMY!

                  [img]https://media.*****.com/media/l3E6uhDAN3W7vylji/*****.gif[/img]
                  Last edited by travestyny; 10-08-2017, 03:52 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                    USADA's Travis Tygart

                    Q: If I had 72 hours, could I mask EPO?

                    A: "Yeah."

                    Q: If I knew it was coming, I could mask it?

                    A: "Yeah. Same with steroids."

                    Q: How quickly could I mask it? What's the shortest time frame, if I knew it was coming, that I could mask it?

                    A: "I mean, we do not notice. We literally show up, and knock on a door, and we find them."

                    Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask it? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?

                    A: "Yep, all that."

                    Q: If I knew 10 minutes before test, could I mask it?

                    A: "Yep...........


                    BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR THIS INTERVIEW. I'M READING IT NOW. SOME GOOD STUFF HERE. SO FAR, RIGHT AT THE TOP, I SEE THIS:

                    Q: Have you ever spoken with anyone from the Mayweather side about this topic?

                    A: "Through the Mayweather-Pacquiao discussion, we talked with both camps on a number of occasions about the basics of an effective anti-doping program."

                    Q: How did the feedback you got from them differ, because, obviously, they had different perspectives on it?

                    A: "Out of respect for that process I don't want to go into a ton of detail. But it's safe to say that the Mayweather camp wanted the carte blanche, gold-standard program that we run, and the other side didn't want to do that."

                    LMAOOOOOOO. DUDEEEEE. YOU'RE JUST STEPPING IN SHlT!!!

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                    • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Man you are loonie!!!!


                      I already explained it before and explained it now.

                      Is your question, "Was Manny injured?" YES

                      Was he injured coming into the fight? DEFINITELY!!! All it took to aggravate it further is throwing his right and it eventually tore completely.


                      Did he possibly lie after to cover up the issue with the pre-fight medical form (checkbox) so that the NSAC cannot go after him and possibly others who were going to sue him. If the statements that you posted are correct then it is a possibility, yes.


                      What is the point of these types of questioning? NOTHING!!!

                      Travestyny even DEFLECTs on the simplest of questions. What is your freaking point!!!


                      .
                      Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                      I'm not asking what was a possibility, deflector.


                      I'm asking you did he lie? Yes or no?


                      He said straight from his mouth:

                      I HAD NO INJURY
                      I WAS 100% GOING INTO THE FIGHT


                      His doctor said:
                      HE WAS AT FULL STRENGTH GOING INTO THE FIGHT.

                      Arum said:
                      HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PAIN GOING INTO THE FIGHT.

                      Koncz said:
                      HE HAD NO PAIN GOING INTO THE FIGHT.


                      ARE YOU TELLING ME THESE ARE ALL LIES? YES OR NO?

                      It's hysterical witnessing you squirm! Keep DEFLECTING!!!

                      Hmmm, are you not saying the opposite and that those statements were not lies? So of course my answer is correct in saying given what I think is the reason why, possibly they were lying to cover up that unchecked check mark. IF I'm wrong then what?


                      But as I expected, you DEFLECTED AGAIN!!!


                      What's the point of this useless questioning? Manny was not even allowed to use the meds!!!!


                      Floyd hid the info from the NSAC (pre-fight form) and used the IVs without informing the NSAC until well after the fight. It's great to have USADA on your side .... well, Floyd also has the NSAC.

                      Floyd doesn't even need to write his medical conditions on that form ONLY Manny!!!

                      .

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