Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[koolkc107]

Oh come now, Ship out.

Dude, I can't believe you're this ******.

You basically tell on yourself every time.

I bet you are lousy at poker, aren't you?

I know what your answer is already, Ship out.

I know exactly what it is you don't want to admit, knew it the first time you didn't answer the question.

All I am doing really is giving you a chance to recover a bit of the credibility you have obviously lost.

Just tell the truth.

I know it is embarrassing to be exposed as a mouth-breathing parrot, but if you face it now you'll be better for it down the road. You can't change until you admit something is wrong first.

Think for yourself for once and answer the question.

See, when you joined this forum has nothing to do with answering the question, not really.

I assume you followed boxing before you joined this board, and more than likely posted in other places.

Proof from those places would count, you know.

And that's how I know what your answer is.

Because as obsessed as you are to be right here, if you had an answer to my question that you were proud of, you'd have posted it by now.

Which means the truth is an embarrassment to you.

As it should be.

But you can change it. Answer the question.

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

all that **** you've written once again and have not answered 1 question, you should be a politician, and as I've said look at my join date, was I here, if the date shown was after may 2015 then it would be impossible, wouldn't it, you can't work anything out, did you educate yourself on emergency TUEs, your talking about providing proof, you obviously have no idea what proof is with the garbage you and your alt try to pass off as proof gumby

FAIL

Your join date doesn't matter, idiot.

The question is simple but obviously it has you shook.

And again, don't look for me to answer anything you ask about what we are discussing unless you extend me the same courtesy.

Stop acting like a 7 year old who has wet the bed but insists that it was raining under the covers.

[WesternChamp]

look at this weasel!! SNITCH!!!

[WesternChamp]

JEEZ this silly thread is still going.May was 1st fighter to start demanding testing that says a lot.And Floyd never tried to hide that whole IV thing.Plus anybody thats watched boxing before PED era can tell pretty much with just eye test.Floyd got slower and less powerfull the more he moved up in weight.Unlike somone else who even after going up 5-6-7 weight div kept getting more powerfull and more explosive.

he cant!!!

[koolkc107]

Point of clarification

It is clear that some folks are making arguments without understanding a few things.

I have posted the WADA code for retroactive TUEs several times in this thread.

Once should have been enough, but a thousand times will prove insufficient if posters don't read it, comprehend it, THEN attempt whatever rebuttals they are capable of framing.

First, let's understand that the phrase is Retroactive TUE

There is no such thing as an "emergency TUE". If there is, someone educate me and post a link from WADA where it says that.

The part of the code is posted below. I have taken the liberty of color coding parts for clarity.

Notice the words "or" throughout the section.

That little word is there for a reason.

It is saying unequivocally that ANY ONE OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES CAN WARRANT THE GRANTING OF A TUE.

You don't need to satisfy ALL of them, just one of them.

So what does this mean?

I believe there was a real medical emergency.

I don't think it was life threatening, but it was sufficient for a medical professional to make a decision and it was also apparent to another professional in the room, the DCO, who was satisfied enough to let the process happen in his presence.

But here's the thing...a medical emergency is just ONE REASON TO GRANT A RETROACTIVE TUE.

Let me put that in plainer language so no one is confused.

IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AN EMERGENCY FOR A TUE TO BE GRANTED.

If Floyd satisfied ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, a TUE could be applied for and granted.

So for those of you arguing that it wasn't an emergency or that Floyd wasn't very dehydrated...IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

Thanks for playing, kids.

For your perusal here's the WADA code on retroactive TUEs:

9. WHAT IS A RETROACTIVE TUE?

There are situations for which TUEs may be granted retroactively. The evaluation process is identical to the standard TUE application procedure i.e. the TUEC evaluates the application and issues its decision. The ISTUE stipulates which situations may result in the granting of a retroactive TUE, as follows:

Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary*; or

Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the athlete to submit, or the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

Applicable rules required the athlete or permitted the athlete to apply for a retroactive TUE. This is applicable to Persons who are not International-Level or National-Level athletes (Code Article 4.4.5) and (where the relevant NADO so chooses) to National-Level Athletes in sports specified by the relevant NADO (ISTUE Article 5.1 Comment); or

[Comment: Such athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out in ISTUE Article 4.1, should an application for a retroactive TUE be necessary following Sample collection.]

It is agreed, by WADA and by the ADO to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

*A medical emergency or acute medical situation occurs when the athlete's medical condition justifies immediate Administration of a Prohibited Substance or Method and failure to treat immediately could significantly put the athlete’s health at risk. It is always preferable to address a TUE application prospectively rather than retrospectively. ADOs granting TUEs should have internal procedures to expedite the evaluation and granting of TUE for emergency situations, whenever possible, and without putting the athlete’s health at risk.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/question...n-tue#item-734

[travestyny]

Goucher knows more than you. Right?

so...your proof is a witness who was proven wrong, and whom you admit was proven wrong, and whom the facts show was wrong. And that's all for your "proof."

My proof:

1. A statement from a doctor saying there was no IV requested in Daegu

2. An email that makes it clear that Goucher lied about a phone call requesting a TUE for an IV.

3. A statement from Salazar telling his athletes to not declare because A TUE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, SHOWING THAT IF HE WAS CHEATING HE WANTED TO GET AROUND THE TUE PROCESS!!!! Any evidence that he gave infusions over 50ml shows that he did NOT go through with the TUE process!

HI Dathan, Alvina ,and Galen, For your interest. When asked about an Infusion, you are to say no. LCarnitine and Iron in the way we have it done is classified as an injection. So no TUE’s and no declaration needed, not online and not when asked about infusions when getting drug tested in or out of competition.. Thanks.380

Magness’s response to Epstein’s inquiry was:
Ya I don't have exact specifics. I remember them taking the infussion protocol and switching it to injections to keep under the 50ml limit.

4. USADA being on the case and not revealing any false information given by Salazar about TUE's, even after Salazar writes an open letter claiming that Rupp NEVER had a TUE for an IV.


5. Leaked TUE's that reveal no IV and nothing out of the ordinary.

Quick Thought #1: Neither Rupp nor Flanagan’s TUEs were surprising or controversial
Rupp’s TUEs confirmed what we already knew — that he has taken medication to combat asthma and allergies in the past. In the 2012 story in dailyRx News, Rupp said that he was taking Advair daily and Combivent before running (which likely means daily since Rupp runs every day). Currently, Rupp likely does not need a TUE to take either medication. The substances contained within — salmeterol and salbutamol — are not banned assuming normal dosage (see page 4 of WADA’s Prohibited List here).

6.PROOF OF HIS ASTHMA AND ALLERGY PROBLEMS:

For more than 14 years, Dr. Mark T. O’Hollaren and Dr. Barzin Khalili have been treating Galen for his severe allergies and asthma. In 2001, Galen’s pediatrician referred him to Dr. O’Hollaren, one of the leading asthma and allergy medical specialists in the country. Dr. O’Hollaren and Dr. Khalili operate the Allergy Clinic in Portland, which has some of the highest allergen levels in the country. Galen takes a number of prescription medicines to treat his asthma and has received immunotherapy to treat his allergies since 2004.

Galen has fully disclosed his asthma and allergy treatment to USADA. In 2013, Galen provided USADA with over 500 pages of medical records and documents regarding his asthma treatment and the medications he had taken. These records, which date back to May 2001, include Galen’s medication records and show each time he has been prescribed prednisone to treat his asthma flare ups. USADA reviewed these documents and concurred that Galen’s treatment and use of prescribed medicines were consistent the WADA Code and the manufacturer’s recommended the****utic regimen.

Do I need to say more?

b) The initial hack proved that the athlete had 3 TUEs in one year. Not that the 3 TUEs were all that the athletes requested for his entire career!!! Oooops!

DEFLECTION. If he applied for more and didn't get them, how is that manipulating the system? LMAO. OOPS. One more time.

1. Galen Rupp had 0 TUE's in 2013, 0 TUE's in 2014, 0 TUE's in 2015....and the accusations didn't come out until 2015!!!

Now I'M WAITING FOR YOU TO STOP DEFELCTING TO WHO SAID WHAT AND SHOW PROOF BASED ON THE FACTS OF THIS CASE! SHOW PROOF THAT HE MANIPULATED THE TUE PROCESS, BECAUSE THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF PROOF HERE THAT HE DIDN'T!!!

ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG! COME ON, YOU CAN DO IT. PROOF. FACTS!!!!! YOU HAVE NONE. YOUR WITNESSES WERE PROVEN WRONG! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THAT HE MANIPULATED TUES FOR RUPP AS YOU STATED!!!!! LMAOOOO!


AND GIVE ME THAT LINK. YOU WERE JUST HERE. WHY ARE YOU DUCKING THAT LINK???? SOMETHING SEEMS FISHY!!!!!!

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[McNulty]

You are 100s of pages into this thread yet you do not know what we are talking about? How convenient!

Your reading comrehension is pretty low. I'm not 100 pages into this thread. Barely read even one post tbh.

[koolkc107]

Your reading comrehension is pretty low. I'm not 100 pages into this thread. Barely read even one post tbh.

I think C-3PO, Ship out, and other butthurts have that comprehension flaw as some sort of defense mechanism.

Cuz if they start actually understanding the truth, it might precipitate a mental breakdown when they understand there are no excuses to explain why their God became so gun-shy in the biggest fight of his life. Pac was never as reluctant to throw before and hasn't been since- and the shoulder is no excuse because ironically his jab numbers were just fine.

The picture punchstats portray is a Manny reluctant to throw for fear of being countered and using his jab as much or more than normal to defend himself.

My reason for replying has to do with your home address.

I feel some of these posters could get their shyt straightened out real fast if they could only spend a few days in Hamsterdam.

I talked to Bunny and he said cool.

Will you join me in starting a gofundme to get them there?

[Shape up]

Point of clarification

It is clear that some folks are making arguments without understanding a few things.

I have posted the WADA code for retroactive TUEs several times in this thread.

Once should have been enough, but a thousand times will prove insufficient if posters don't read it, comprehend it, THEN attempt whatever rebuttals they are capable of framing.

First, let's understand that the phrase is Retroactive TUE

There is no such thing as an "emergency TUE". If there is, someone educate me and post a link from WADA where it says that.

The part of the code is posted below. I have taken the liberty of color coding parts for clarity.

Notice the words "or" throughout the section.

That little word is there for a reason.

It is saying unequivocally that ANY ONE OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES CAN WARRANT THE GRANTING OF A TUE.

You don't need to satisfy ALL of them, just one of them.

So what does this mean?

I believe there was a real medical emergency.

I don't think it was life threatening, but it was sufficient for a medical professional to make a decision and it was also apparent to another professional in the room, the DCO, who was satisfied enough to let the process happen in his presence.

But here's the thing...a medical emergency is just ONE REASON TO GRANT A RETROACTIVE TUE.

Let me put that in plainer language so no one is confused.

IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AN EMERGENCY FOR A TUE TO BE GRANTED.

If Floyd satisfied ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, a TUE could be applied for and granted.

So for those of you arguing that it wasn't an emergency or that Floyd wasn't very dehydrated...IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

Thanks for playing, kids.

For your perusal here's the WADA code on retroactive TUEs:

9. WHAT IS A RETROACTIVE TUE?

There are situations for which TUEs may be granted retroactively. The evaluation process is identical to the standard TUE application procedure i.e. the TUEC evaluates the application and issues its decision. The ISTUE stipulates which situations may result in the granting of a retroactive TUE, as follows:

Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary*; or

Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the athlete to submit, or the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

Applicable rules required the athlete or permitted the athlete to apply for a retroactive TUE. This is applicable to Persons who are not International-Level or National-Level athletes (Code Article 4.4.5) and (where the relevant NADO so chooses) to National-Level Athletes in sports specified by the relevant NADO (ISTUE Article 5.1 Comment); or

[Comment: Such athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out in ISTUE Article 4.1, should an application for a retroactive TUE be necessary following Sample collection.]

It is agreed, by WADA and by the ADO to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

*A medical emergency or acute medical situation occurs when the athlete's medical condition justifies immediate Administration of a Prohibited Substance or Method and failure to treat immediately could significantly put the athlete’s health at risk. It is always preferable to address a TUE application prospectively rather than retrospectively. ADOs granting TUEs should have internal procedures to expedite the evaluation and granting of TUE for emergency situations, whenever possible, and without putting the athlete’s health at risk.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/question...n-tue#item-734

ellerbe said it was for REHYDRAION, nothing out of the normal so obviously it wasn't an acute medical condition, it wasn't an emergency, it was a simple case of fluid IVayweather flushing his system, manipulating his blood values to make sure he passed the PED test

[koolkc107]

ellerbe said it was for REHYDRAION, nothing out of the normal so obviously it wasn't an acute medical condition, it wasn't an emergency, it was a simple case of fluid IVayweather flushing his system, manipulating his blood values to make sure he passed the PED test

This argument has already been addressed and discredited numerous times in this thread...including the last post of mine you just quoted.

I suggest you read it carefully; that is, if you are actually capable of such.

FAIL

And again, don't look for me to answer anything you ask about what we are discussing unless you extend me the same courtesy.

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

[WesternChamp]

ellerbe said it was for REHYDRAION, nothing out of the normal so obviously it wasn't an acute medical condition, it wasn't an emergency, it was a simple case of fluid IVayweather flushing his system, manipulating his blood values to make sure he passed the PED test

here he is explaining it. doesnt seem like it was an emergency or anything like that. in fact, his response is kinda almost seem like its a joke. like he's just throwing a bunch of bs out there to act like he answered the question at hand.