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  • Madison Boxing
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    #11
    he'll go down as one of the most fan friendly fighters theres ever been and a credit to the sport. no cheating, no ducking, no negative tactics. Its been one hell of a ride!!!!!!!!

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    • djtmal
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      #12
      Originally posted by larryxxx.
      Golovkin is a decent boxer who beat average boxers, he will be forgotten as he is not a great elite fighter..But he made some good money and looks like he had a great time doing it
      listen to this guy...

      so who did floyd beat that was an elite, prime atg fighter at his best...victor ortiz or maidana, or was it corrales

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      • LockardTheGOAT
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        #13
        Originally posted by turnedup
        I think legacy goes back to barbershop/forum talk. At the end of the day these guys are taking mountains of abuse for a paycheck. There are a lot of solid legacy guys that are dead broke today and it's something that's also led to the fall of the HW division which is just now picking up heat around maybe 5 names. The reality is what we want and what these guys are willing to give doesn't always line up. I mean if you could get a million bucks to fight a Rod Salka why would you fight an Erroll Spence? I for one see both sides of the argument but it's hard to argue with the state of boxing because we've watched it unfold and supported it while it happened.
        All REAL fighters and athletes care about legacy and their place in history. Wanting to get paid doesn't automatically contradict that.

        Why fight an Errol Spence for less money than you can make fighting a bum like Rod Salka? Isn't that what an athlete is supposed to do? Compete against the best in their field? I realize everyone takes tune up/easier fights occasionally, but this kind of thinking just makes me cringe when it's used in general.

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          #14
          Originally posted by big.daddy.allan
          1.) Needs to get past Canelo convincingly
          2.) In order to lure Floyd out, he needs to prove he can generate lots and lots of money...considering his PPV numbers prior to fighting Canelo were ****, very doubtful
          3.) Needs to get past Canelo convincingly
          He alongside Canelo just drew 1.3 million buys and the rematch will probably draw as good or better. If he wins, the entire spotlight and publicity is on him + The drama of undefeated fighter versus undefeated fighter is definitely a huge selling point for nearly any fight. I think that's enough incentive for a guy like Floyd to think there's a worthwhile paycheck in fighting him + I genuinely believe that Floyd's ego won't let him having everyone think Golovkin is this unbeatable, unconquerable monster if he honestly feels he can school the guy himself and take his 0.

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          • turnedup
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            #15
            Originally posted by LockardTheGOAT
            All REAL fighters and athletes care about legacy and their place in history. Wanting to get paid doesn't automatically contradict that.

            Why fight an Errol Spence for less money than you can make fighting a bum like Rod Salka? Isn't that what an athlete is supposed to do? Compete against the best in their field? I realize everyone takes tune up/easier fights occasionally, but this kind of thinking just makes me cringe when it's used in general.
            What they are supposed to do and what's being sold to them by managers and promoters are two completely different things brother and you need to realize that. Despite conventional thought people leave out all of the factors that go into making a fight these days including network interest which is the biggest factor since they are the ones paying the purses for the bulk of professional fighters. Rigo and Lara are great fighters and yet they don't get any love, because it's political and they don't fit the agenda..this promoter doesn't work well with that promoter. This fighter gets told he has to earn his shot, that fighter gets a pass for a voluntary defense, this fighter doesn't agree with his purse so he won't fight..and the list goes on and on and on..none of it has to with legacy and has to all do with money.

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            • koolkc107
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              #16
              Originally posted by LockardTheGOAT
              What will Golovkin's place in history look like if he defeats Canelo next May and then knocks out Floyd Mayweather the following September? Because anyone that doesn't think Floyd will return and try to school GGG (like he said would be easy for him to do) if he wins is being naïve.

              I can only imagine how he would look if he then lured Andre Ward out of retirement and whooped his ass, too. Imagine taking both Floyd and Ward's undefeated streaks.
              He isn't going to defeat Canelo.

              He just looked as good as he is ever going to look against Saul and IMO it wasn't good enough.

              The gap in talent will be even wider in May.

              It's clear now that Golovkin would never have stood a chance against Mayweather at 154 or Ward at 168.

              His promoter and trainers were smart to keep him out of those fights.

              A fight between Golovkin and Mayweather will never happen because of the same reason it didn't happen in the first place: Floyd isn't going up to 160 and Golovkin never bothered to prove he can make 154. That won't change so no need for hypotheticals there.

              A Ward fight could probably still happen but it would likely take an outrageous guarantee (10 to 15M plus upside?) for Andre to even consider coming out of retirement.

              That, and the fact that it would be a serious azz whoopin' he lays on Golovkin- I'm talking career ending type stuff.
              Gennady simply won't be able to land anything hard enough to keep Ward from going thru him like shyt thru a goose.

              If they actually plan to try and lure Ward out of retirement, they had better make sure it is Golovkin's last fight...because it WILL BE his last fight.
              Last edited by koolkc107; 10-03-2017, 12:38 PM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by big.daddy.allan
                1.) Needs to get past Canelo convincingly
                2.) In order to lure Floyd out, he needs to prove he can generate lots and lots of money...considering his PPV numbers prior to fighting Canelo were ****, very doubtful
                3.) Needs to get past Canelo convincingly
                i agree here...

                he gets past alvarez in spectacular fashion, or soundly whips him, with some increased ppv some interesting options could open up

                floyd vs. ggg would sell itself imo, but in order to get floyd, he'd have to generate some great ppv and look like a serious low risk or show some weaknesses floyd thinks he can exploit...we know floyd and high risk don't go in the same sentence even with high reward...

                ggg vs. andre ward is a very marketable superfight as well imo...ggg could move up to 168-170 for ward and cash out on that one win or lose...

                too bad ggg didn't have all of the atg scalps hagler had to make fights in his day...hagler seems to have a lot of respect for him...

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by koolkc107
                  He isn't going to defeat Canelo.

                  He just looked as good as he is ever going to look against Saul and IMO it wasn't good enough.

                  The gap in talent will be even wider in May.

                  It's clear now that Golovkin would never have stood a chance against Mayweather at 154 or Ward at 168.

                  His promoter and trainers were smart to keep him out of those fights.

                  A fight between Golovkin and Mayweather will never happen because of the same reason it didn't happen in the first place: Floyd isn't going up to 160 and Golovkin never bothered to prove he can make 154. That won't change so no need for hypotheticals there.

                  A Ward fight could probably still happen but it would likely take an outrageous guarantee (10 to 15M plus upside?) for Andre to even consider coming out of retirement.

                  That, and the fact that it would be a serious azz whoopin' he lays on Golovkin- I'm talking career ending type stuff.
                  Gennady simply won't be able to land anything hard enough to keep Ward from going thru him like shyt thru a goose.

                  If they actually plan to try and lure Ward out of retirement, they had better make sure it is Golovkin's last fight...because it WILL BE his last fight.
                  GGG said he'd be willing and able to go to 154 for Mayweather, and that he'd be the only person he'd drop to that weight for.

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                  • Larry the boss
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by djtmal
                    listen to this guy...

                    so who did floyd beat that was an elite, prime atg fighter at his best...victor ortiz or maidana, or was it corrales
                    Why would you even mention GGG's resume and Floyds in the same breath?? are you ****ing serious?

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                      #20
                      GGG needs to defeat Canelo in rematch and a unification win over Saunders in order to seal his legacy as an ATG. Floyd or Ward won't be coming out of retirement to fight him. If Floyd comes out of retirement for another fight it will be another circus act, maybe Sasha Banks or Laila Ali.

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