Why do the same posters who claim VADA is the best side with Wilders dirty foes?

[Shape up]

From WADA



[B]4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or
b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or
c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1)or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE; or[/B
But but but.....it has to be an emergency to get a retroactive TUE

So what section did floyd qualify under from above, NONE, he had the IV at home, NOT ALLOWED, there was an alternative treatment available, DRINKING WATER, he was required to have a prior TUE, HE DIDNT case closed

[ironmt]

Please tell me, how many boxers can you name that failed Nevada's pre fight medical examination?

Ok...now tell me how many boxers do you think are dehydrated before a match? Just a round about number will do. What do you think?




Proven false. Even Hauser went back and admitted that the DCO must have been present before the IV.



NSAC had no rule against IV's. This was WADA's rule, which I guess Bennett finally accepted since in the end he stated nothing wrong was done.




Unusually low? Says who? Not according to the head of a WADA laboratory. She clearly states there is nothing abnormal about those numbers. If you need a link, let me know.



Maybe because boxers are not ****** enough to try to cheat when face with USADA, being that it is WADA recognized, while VADA isn't. This is the dumbest thing you guys bring up. For the last time, VADA DOES NOT CATCH ANYONE USING PED'S. THE WADA LABORATORIES DO. THE SAME LABS THAT USADA USES!

Unlike USADA, VADA utilizes carbon isotope ratio (CIR) testing on every urine sample it collects from a boxer. USADA often declines to administer CIR testing on grounds that it’s unnecessary and too expensive, yet they charge substantially more for testing. Why would a smart business man such as Floyd elect to pay more money to a company such as USADA, who according to you, offers the same exact service as VADA?

Why did Leonard Ellerbe say “We’ve put in place a mechanism where all Mayweather Promotions fighters will do mandatory blood and urine testing 365-24-7 by USADA.”

But neither Mayweather nor the fighters that Mayweather Promotions has under contract have undergone 365-24-7 testing?

Bennett did not accept It and said the following

I’ve made it clear to Travis Tygart that this should not happen again. We have the sole authority to grant any and all TUEs in the state of Nevada. USADA is a drug-testing agency. USADA should not be granting waivers and exemptions. Not in this state. We are less than pleased that USADA acted the way it did.” He cannot have it done at his house and [USADA] can’t authorize it.... I have specifically articulated and memorialized to USADA that [NSAC] is the sole authority that can authorize a the****utic-use exemption for a fighter in the state of Nevada,” Bennett said. “USADA never told us prior to the IV that they had their own TUE, and they never kept us informed about it being administered.

“If they think they can do what they want, where and whenever they want in the state of Nevada, they are grossly mistaken.”

The average T-E ratio for whites Is 1.2-to-1 and for blacks Is 1.3-to-1.” Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the April 3, 2013, sample was 0.80. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the Aug. 18, 2011, sample was 0.69. How Is that not low?

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on, It will most likely eventually come out that Floyd, Manny and Marquez were probably all guilty of PEDS. Time will tell.

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So what section did floyd qualify under from above, NONE, he had the IV at home, NOT ALLOWED, there was an alternative treatment available, DRINKING WATER, he was required to have a prior TUE, HE DIDNT case closed

Oh, you have his medical records?

1. It could have been an acute medical condition
2. insufficient time to apply
3. Rules permitted it....


It could be any of those. USADA already came out and said the DCO witnessed the reasoning for it. It was his physical condition. Floyd stated his urine was extremely dark. If you want to find out, why don't you hack into WADA's database and get the records. I'm sure we will all thank you for it.


But what does any of it matter? As I told you before, an IV is used to DILUTE a urine sample.

The DCO and the labs both checked the urine for dilution. That should end this already. Unless you can tell me the process of how he used PED's and got away with it.

[soul_survivor]

They always blame Wilder when VADA says the opponents are dirty...yet claim VADA is the best!!!

who are these mysterious posters who claim "wilder is at fault for his opponents taking PEDs and he must have given it to them" because that is what you are insinuating.

I have seen many posters claim wilder does not want to fight the best and his inactivity, refusing to fight the likes of Whyte etc is a factor for that.

Also, wilders recent outbursts about ortiz, even with the extenuating circumstances that could still allow the fight to occur are another problem but I have never seen anyone post its his fault Pov and Ortiz have cheated.

[travestyny]

Unlike USADA, VADA utilizes carbon isotope ratio (CIR) testing on every urine sample it collects from a boxer. USADA often declines to administer CIR testing on grounds that it’s unnecessary and too expensive, yet they charge substantially more for testing. Why would a smart business man such as Floyd elect to pay more money to a company such as USADA, who according to you, offers the same exact service as VADA?

Jesus Christ. Stop believing bullshlt.

"CIR is a regular part of the USADA testing program for all athletes under USADA's jurisdiction, as well as a routine part of the anti-doping programs conducted by USADA in the sport of professional boxing," USADA said. "It is completely inaccurate to say that CIR testing would only be done if a T/E ratio is 4-1."
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/bo...nte-assertions

Why did Leonard Ellerbe say “We’ve put in place a mechanism where all Mayweather Promotions fighters will do mandatory blood and urine testing 365-24-7 by USADA.”

But neither Mayweather nor the fighters that Mayweather Promotions has under contract have undergone 365-24-7 testing?

Why is this important? USADA has tested Mayweather something like 140 times. You don't think that's enough for an athlete biological passport???

Bennett did not accept It and said the following

I’ve made it clear to Travis Tygart that this should not happen again. We have the sole authority to grant any and all TUEs in the state of Nevada. USADA is a drug-testing agency. USADA should not be granting waivers and exemptions. Not in this state. We are less than pleased that USADA acted the way it did.” He cannot have it done at his house and [USADA] can’t authorize it.... I have specifically articulated and memorialized to USADA that [NSAC] is the sole authority that can authorize a the****utic-use exemption for a fighter in the state of Nevada,” Bennett said. “USADA never told us prior to the IV that they had their own TUE, and they never kept us informed about it being administered.

“If they think they can do what they want, where and whenever they want in the state of Nevada, they are grossly mistaken.”

Bennet comparing his dlck size to Tygart. Good for him.

The average T-E ratio for whites Is 1.2-to-1 and for blacks Is 1.3-to-1.” Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the April 3, 2013, sample was 0.80. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the Aug. 18, 2011, sample was 0.69. How Is that not low?

Christine Ayotte, head of a WADA lab, said this about Jon Jones T/E ratios of .29, .35, and .19 Far lower than Mayweather's levels!

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. "

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada-commission--jon-jones-tests-results-show-no-signs-of-doping-013131428.html

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on, It will most likely eventually come out that Floyd, Manny and Marquez were probably all guilty of PEDS. Time will tell.

Time will tell.

[Shape up]

Oh, you have his medical records?

1. It could have been an acute medical condition
2. insufficient time to apply
3. Rules permitted it....


It could be any of those. USADA already came out and said the DCO witnessed the reasoning for it. It was his physical condition. Floyd stated his urine was extremely dark. If you want to find out, why don't you hack into WADA's database and get the records. I'm sure we will all thank you for it.


But what does any of it matter? As I told you before, an IV is used to DILUTE a urine sample.

The DCO and the labs both checked the urine for dilution. That should end this already. Unless you can tell me the process of how he used PED's and got away with it.

Floyd said he was dehydrated in the video, if it was an emergency he wouldn't have been allowed to fight, he was checked at the weigh in and was deemed fit so it could only be mild dehydration, the only allowable remedy via WADA rules is drinking water, usada is dirty

[travestyny]

Floyd said he was dehydrated in the video, if it was an emergency he wouldn't have been allowed to fight, he was checked at the weigh in and was deemed fit so it could only be mild dehydration, the only allowable remedy via WADA rules is drinking water, usada is dirty

You dudes act like NSAC is an authority of dehydration. How many boxers have been deemed to be dehydrated by NSAC? Can you name one. Just one. Surely it must have happened at least once since NSAC was created.



You keep bringing up emergency.

I thought we already established that it said emergency OR!


Just stop already. Damn. Or just answer. How do you take PED's and dilute it with an IV and pass at a WADA lab that has checked your urine to make sure it is not diluted???

[Shape up]

You dudes act like NSAC is an authority of dehydration. How many boxers have been deemed to be dehydrated by NSAC? Can you name one. Just one. Surely it must have happened at least once since NSAC was created.



You keep bringing up emergency.

I thought we already established that it said emergency OR!


Just stop already. Damn. Or just answer. How do you take PED's and dilute it with an IV and pass at a WADA lab that has checked your urine to make sure it is not diluted???

Tell what part of OR does he qualify for, he said his urine was darker than usual, mild dehydration, he was checked at the weigh in 2 hours prior to the IV BY A DOCTOR, it's a simple case that he wanted an IV to rehydrate after the weigh in and usada was the accomplice in that action

[ironmt]

Jesus Christ. Stop believing bullshlt.





Why is this important? USADA has tested Mayweather something like 140 times. You don't think that's enough for an athlete biological passport???




Bennet comparing his dlck size to Tygart. Good for him.



Christine Ayotte, head of a WADA lab, said this about Jon Jones T/E ratios of .29, .35, and .19 Far lower than Mayweather's levels!





Time will tell.

keep trying to reply and getting an error, anyway.

Jesus Christ. Stop believing bullshlt.


So you are saying that VADA Is not cheaper? Again, why would a smart business man such as Floyd pay more money for the exact same service?


Why is this important? USADA has tested Mayweather something like 140 times. You don't think that's enough for an athlete biological passport???

What do you mean, why Is It Important? Floyd made a career out of being the poster boy for "cleaning up the sport" Shouldn't he have actually followed through with what he was already claiming to be doing?


Bennet comparing his dlck size to Tygart. Good for him.

So It was obvious that It wasn't accepted by Bennett as you said previously.

Christine Ayotte, head of a WADA lab, said this about Jon Jones T/E ratios of .29, .35, and .19 Far lower than Mayweather's levels!

So, because someone else's was lower, means Floyd's wasn't low?



Time will tell.

[travestyny]

Tell what part of OR does he qualify for, he said his urine was darker than usual, mild dehydration, he was checked at the weigh in 2 hours prior to the IV BY A DOCTOR, it's a simple case that he wanted an IV to rehydrate after the weigh in and usada was the accomplice in that action

Dude, I just said that it could have been any of the Or's.


For all we know, USADA just said it's ok because they were present for the whole thing and it's not against NSAC's rules.

The question is, who gives a shlt? What we really care about is if he was using PED's right?

For the longest you guys said he announces fights late to cycle off, now ur saying he cycled on the day before the fight. WTF?????

Do you really care if he had an injection of saline and vitamins? I don't give a shlt. If he abused PED's, his record should be expunged. That's it! But no one is stepping up with anything close to proof that he took PED's.