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  • travestyny
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    #91
    Originally posted by Shape up
    A clinical investigation is when they are looking for an issue ******, such as injecting a dye into you to see where there is a blockage, your really showing your ignorance now knobjockey, a playing field isn't , but if it's an emergency it can be given, otherwise you will find that the sport your talking about isn't enrolled in WADA, they were doing it in the AFL here in Australia until they signed up with asada and then it was promptly banned
    How dare you call someone ****** when you take something from the "Medical Best Practices" section and try to say that is the rule

    So you're still trying to say that it has to be in a ****ing clinic, yet it's not for a clinical investigation?

    Then it would be in a hospital, you ****ing idiot

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      #92
      IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.

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        #93
        Has there ever been a clear explanation as to how a healthy looking Floyd at the weigh In who passed all prior prefight medical examinations suddenly became dehydrated to the point that he needed 750 milliliters of fluid, the day before the fight?

        How about the fact that USADA officials, which is supposed to abide by WADA rules, became aware of the injections when they went to administer a drug test to Mayweather, but the agency failed to report the incident to the Nevada State Athletic Commission and were only made aware of the injections nearly three weeks after the bout?

        Why did Bob Bennett, who has been executive director of the NSAC since April 2014, and who was previously an FBI agent, state that “The TUE for Mayweather’s IV — and the IV was administered at Floyd’s house, not in a medical facility, and wasn’t brought to our attention at the time — was totally unacceptable.”

        Is there a legitimate reason for tests administered to Mayweather by the NSAC for fights in 2011 and 2013 to post unusually low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios?

        If USADA and VADA are equivalent why Is It the case that In 46 fights for which it has done testing, USADA acknowledged just one boxer caught with PEDs (Morales), whereas VADA had found three positive results in 18 fights?
        Last edited by ironmt; 10-04-2017, 01:50 AM.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Shape up
          IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.
          Again, do you know what the word retroactive means, or did you not understand that?


          4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

          a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or
          b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or
          c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1)or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE; or



          But but but.....it has to be an emergency to get a retroactive TUE
          Last edited by travestyny; 10-04-2017, 02:05 AM.

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            #95
            Originally posted by travestyny
            Again, do you know what the word retroactive means, or did you not understand that?
            I see you have no answer again, these are WADA regulations, it should have been a prior tue, no wonder floyd tried to write into the contract for the fight that any tue issued didn't have to be disclosed to any party, how many fights did he do this for is the real question, how many PED cycles has he had

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              #96
              Originally posted by Shape up
              I see you have no answer again, these are WADA regulations, it should have been a prior tue, no wonder floyd tried to write into the contract for the fight that any tue issued didn't have to be disclosed to any party, how many fights did he do this for is the real question, how many PED cycles has he had
              From WADA



              4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

              a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or
              b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or
              c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1)or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE; or



              But but but.....it has to be an emergency to get a retroactive TUE

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                #97
                Originally posted by ironmt
                Has there ever been a clear explanation as to how a healthy looking Floyd at the weigh In who passed all prior prefight medical examinations suddenly became dehydrated to the point that he needed 750 milliliters of fluid, the day before the fight?
                Please tell me, how many boxers can you name that failed Nevada's pre fight medical examination?

                Ok...now tell me how many boxers do you think are dehydrated before a match? Just a round about number will do. What do you think?


                Originally posted by ironmt
                How about the fact that USADA officials, which is supposed to abide by WADA rules, became aware of the injections when they went to administer a drug test to Mayweather, but the agency failed to report the incident to the Nevada State Athletic Commission and were only made aware of the injections nearly three weeks after the bout?
                Proven false. Even Hauser went back and admitted that the DCO must have been present before the IV.

                Originally posted by ironmt
                Why did Bob Bennett, who has been executive director of the NSAC since April 2014, and who was previously an FBI agent, state that “The TUE for Mayweather’s IV — and the IV was administered at Floyd’s house, not in a medical facility, and wasn’t brought to our attention at the time — was totally unacceptable.”
                NSAC had no rule against IV's. This was WADA's rule, which I guess Bennett finally accepted since in the end he stated nothing wrong was done.


                Originally posted by ironmt
                Is there a legitimate reason for tests administered to Mayweather by the NSAC for fights in 2011 and 2013 to post unusually low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios?
                Unusually low? Says who? Not according to the head of a WADA laboratory. She clearly states there is nothing abnormal about those numbers. If you need a link, let me know.

                Originally posted by ironmt
                If USADA and VADA are equivalent why Is It the case that In 46 fights for which it has done testing, USADA acknowledged just one boxer caught with PEDs (Morales), whereas VADA had found three positive results in 18 fights?
                Maybe because boxers are not ****** enough to try to cheat when face with USADA, being that it is WADA recognized, while VADA isn't. This is the dumbest thing you guys bring up. For the last time, VADA DOES NOT CATCH ANYONE USING PED'S. THE WADA LABORATORIES DO. THE SAME LABS THAT USADA USES!

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by travestyny

                  Maybe because boxers are not ****** enough to try to cheat when face with USADA, being that it is WADA recognized, while VADA isn't. This is the dumbest thing you guys bring up. For the last time, VADA DOES NOT CATCH ANYONE USING PED'S. THE WADA LABORATORIES DO. THE SAME LABS THAT USADA USES!

                  Why do posters NOT understand this bit here? Again I understand when Mayweather name is involve things gets out of control, but am sure they can see clearly and not follow trolling " Investigative journalists" like Thomas Hauser.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Ray*
                    Why do posters NOT understand this bit here? Again I understand when Mayweather name is involve things gets out of control, but am sure they can see clearly and not follow trolling " Investigative journalists" like Thomas Hauser.
                    They will believe anything if it helps detract from Floyd.

                    A. USADA took money
                    B. The doping control officer took hush money
                    C. The 3 independent doctors on the TUE committee somehow were biased in approving of Floyd's application, though by rule the application doesn't have the athlete's name on it.
                    D. The independent labs didn't do their jobs correctly and may have been biased, though the samples don't have the athlete's name on them.
                    E. Since an IV only allows one to cheat a urine test by dilution, there must be a problem with the specific gravity test performed by both the DCO and the independent lab that ensured the sample wasn't diluted.
                    F. The judges cheated
                    G. The referee cheated
                    H. NSAC was biased.
                    I. Mayweather delays announcing fights to cheat, but for Pac, he passed 17 drug tests and then decided to cheat at the last minute.

                    I've literally heard all of that and more.

                    It's like, damn dude. Do they actually believe all this shlt, or did this dude really hurt their lives that much????

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by travestyny
                      They will believe anything if it helps detract from Floyd.

                      A. USADA took money
                      B. The doping control officer took hush money
                      C. The 3 independent doctors on the TUE committee somehow were biased in approving of Floyd's application, though by rule the application doesn't have the athlete's name on it.
                      D. The independent labs didn't do their jobs correctly and may have been biased, though the samples don't have the athlete's name on them.
                      E. Since an IV only allows one to cheat a urine test by dilution, there must be a problem with the specific gravity test performed by both the DCO and the independent lab that ensured the sample wasn't diluted.
                      F. The judges cheated
                      G. The referee cheated
                      H. NSAC was biased.
                      I. Mayweather delays announcing fights to cheat, but for Pac, he passed 17 drug tests and then decided to cheat at the last minute.

                      I've literally heard all of that and more.

                      It's like, damn dude. Do they actually believe all this shlt, or did this dude really hurt their lives that much????
                      Yeah i really don't understand it, I know they hate him but to think everyone is in on it. Every single person is in on making sure Mayweather gets an advantage!!!! Really? Seriously they need to get a life lol. They are like sheeps.

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