Luis Ortiz Demands Apology From WBC As He Is "Legally Taking" Blood Pressure Meds

[jaded]

Nothing in Hauser's "rebuttal" actually rebuts anything USADA said. He's just grasping at straws to cover his behind.

Of course USADA learned about the IV on the day it occurred. How could they have learned about it before the day it occurred when it was unplanned and used to treat unexpected illness?

USADA was with Floyd all day. With Floyd when the paramedics were called. With Floyd when the IV was administered. Sample given immediately before IV and immediately after.

Mayweather filed the official paperwork two weeks after the fight because medical and legal professionals have to be consulted, everything has to be done according to protocol, etc and that takes time.

The IV was 100% legal under the rules of Nevada, so why would USADA contact Nevada before deciding if USADA rules had been followed? Hauser's position doesn't make any sense.

Floyd did something allowed under Nevada rules at the time. However, Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed to additional regulations which required that USADA determine that an IV was used for legitimate purposes.

You skirted past the bold part completely...he didn't even have an exemption nor a formal application for one until after the fight...and NSAC wasn't even notified again until after the fight. The fight went on anyways.

Listen...you are engaging in a 2 1/2 year old argument and once again with points that have nothing to do with Ortiz/Wilder. There's another thread about this that's still trending if you want to take up this issue...I don't so let's stick to the topic. I only made mention of it because there is really nothing to stop WBC and NYSC from letting this go...even though Ortiz didn't make the declaration. Basically...boxing does what makes money for boxing. There is now more interest than ever in this fight because of this...and Wilder is probably emboldened from the knowledge that Ortiz has BP issues and wanting it more as a result. Wilder needs to prove he worthy of being a champion....nobody wants to see him fight another tomato can and this is still the best fight to be made for him for Nov 4th.

[N/A]

You skirted past the bold part completely...he didn't even have an exemption nor a formal application for one until after the fight...and NSAC wasn't even notified again until after the fight. The fight went on anyways.

You're misunderstanding several fundamental facts (which isn't necessarily your fault as the media did a horrible job of accurately reporting the story).

#1 - NSAC wasn't notified because at the time, IVs, in any amount, for any reason, were 100% legal under NSAC rules. There was no reason to notify the NSAC about something allowed under their rules.

#2 - The purpose of a retroactive exemption is to allow the athlete's representatives ample time to properly present their case and to allow the agency ample time to consider their case.

OF COURSE it was filed after the fight. An athlete's lawyers are not going to rush a filing that if filed improperly or not adequately presenting his position could result in ruining the athlete's life.

Retroactive exemption exists so nobody has to decide anything in the heat of the moment. The athlete doesn't have to wait for medical treatment and they then have time after the fact to prove the treatment was legitimate.

But the key is to do everything with the knowledge of the agency and to not hide anything from the agency. USADA was aware of Floyd's IV because the USADA DCO was with Floyd the entire day and Floyd never left their sight. USADA was expecting the filing and ruled once they had it.

There was nothing unusual about any of this other than Hauser, who was being paid by HBO, writing a hit piece to purposely confuse the public about the proper protocols.

[Raggamuffin]

while youre lyao, im STILL waiting on SCIENTIFIC PROOF that roids/p'e'd's WINS a guy a fight.

ive been waiting since i got here.

You've been waiting because everyone has given you an answer and you're just not accepting their answers. What's the purpose of taking PEDs in the first place if they don't benefit you sports wise? Are you saying that PEDs work in every sport except boxing?

[Raggamuffin]

You're misunderstanding several fundamental facts (which isn't necessarily your fault as the media did a horrible job of accurately reporting the story).

#1 - NSAC wasn't notified because at the time, IVs, in any amount, for any reason, were 100% legal under NSAC rules. There was no reason to notify the NSAC about something allowed under their rules.

#2 - The purpose of a retroactive exemption is to allow the athlete's representatives ample time to properly present their case and to allow the agency ample time to consider their case.

OF COURSE it was filed after the fight. An athlete's lawyers are not going to rush a filing that if filed improperly or not adequately presenting his position could result in ruining the athlete's life.

Retroactive exemption exists so nobody has to decide anything in the heat of the moment. The athlete doesn't have to wait for medical treatment and they then have time after the fact to prove the treatment was legitimate.

But the key is to do everything with the knowledge of the agency and to not hide anything from the agency. USADA was aware of Floyd's IV because the USADA DCO was with Floyd the entire day and Floyd never left their sight. USADA was expecting the filing and ruled once they had it.

There was nothing unusual about any of this other than Hauser, who was being paid by HBO, writing a hit piece to purposely confuse the public about the proper protocols.

Well said. Hats off...

[Elroy The Great]

You've been waiting because everyone has given you an answer and you're just not accepting their answers. What's the purpose of taking PEDs in the first place if they don't benefit you sports wise? Are you saying that PEDs work in every sport except boxing?

true.

i dont pay attention to non facts. and by facts, i mean unbiased scientific links. not some witch hunter spewing hyperbole.

still waiting

[soul_survivor]

You're misunderstanding several fundamental facts (which isn't necessarily your fault as the media did a horrible job of accurately reporting the story).

#1 - NSAC wasn't notified because at the time, IVs, in any amount, for any reason, were 100% legal under NSAC rules. There was no reason to notify the NSAC about something allowed under their rules.

Ok, let me stop you right there. You are either misinformed or lying. NSAC actually challenged the USADA on allowing Mayweather the use of an IV pre fight/post weigh in.

Why if the NSAC allows it did they challenge the USADA on this?

The answer is simple, because, because for IV use, especially of the high amounts it is claimed that Mayweather used, one must have a TUE, and then it needs to be overseen by the chief NASC medical expert. None of tha twas ever done and the USADA went ahead without informing NSAC, CMF or providing a TUE.

This also led to a number of regulation changes in 2016 (including all the problems USADA has caused in UFC) so that NSAC now has more power of what is and is not done and the USADA can be overruled or entirely ignored.

[N/A]

Ok, let me stop you right there. You are either misinformed or lying.

The facts will clearly show which of us is misinformed. Let's continue . . .

NSAC actually challenged the USADA on allowing Mayweather the use of an IV pre fight/post weigh in.

USADA does not have the authority to over ride NSAC rules. If the IV was against NSAC rules, USADA would not have jurisdiction to grant a TUE. USADA can't grant a TUE for something that is against NSAC rules.

If Mayweather had violated NSAC rules, NSAC would have punished Mayweather. USADA would have no authority to prevent NSAC from doing so, TUE or not.

Why if the NSAC allows it did they challenge the USADA on this?

NSAC didn't challenge the use. NSAC complained about not being informed because it allowed Hauser to make them look bad with his misleading article.

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/USADAs-Detailed-Correction-to-SB-Nation-Article-by-Tom-Hauser.pdf

NSAC advised Mr. Hauser, IVs are not prohibited in the NSAC rules. As such, there was no need for Mr. Mayweather to apply to NSAC for a TUE for the use of IVs.

The answer is simple, because, because for IV use, especially of the high amounts it is claimed that Mayweather used, one must have a TUE, and then it needs to be overseen by the chief NASC medical expert.

You're wrong on multiple fronts. First of all, the IV was the equivalent of a small water bottle. It was not a high amount. Second of all, a TUE was only required due to Floyd & Manny's voluntary agreement to seek USADA approval for IV. NSAC rules had nothing to do with it. It was completely legal under NSAC rules, which NSAC informed Hauser of after his article.

Something Hauser knew. He just played dumb in his article because HBO was paying him to smear Mayweather.

[Raggamuffin]

true.

i dont pay attention to non facts. and by facts, i mean unbiased scientific links. not some witch hunter spewing hyperbole.

still waiting

The only thing unbiased is YOU! Do PEDs work in other sports? And if they do then why not boxing???

[Kigali]

You're misunderstanding several fundamental facts (which isn't necessarily your fault as the media did a horrible job of accurately reporting the story).

#1 - NSAC wasn't notified because at the time, IVs, in any amount, for any reason, were 100% legal under NSAC rules. There was no reason to notify the NSAC about something allowed under their rules.

#2 - The purpose of a retroactive exemption is to allow the athlete's representatives ample time to properly present their case and to allow the agency ample time to consider their case.

OF COURSE it was filed after the fight. An athlete's lawyers are not going to rush a filing that if filed improperly or not adequately presenting his position could result in ruining the athlete's life.

Retroactive exemption exists so nobody has to decide anything in the heat of the moment. The athlete doesn't have to wait for medical treatment and they then have time after the fact to prove the treatment was legitimate.

But the key is to do everything with the knowledge of the agency and to not hide anything from the agency. USADA was aware of Floyd's IV because the USADA DCO was with Floyd the entire day and Floyd never left their sight. USADA was expecting the filing and ruled once they had it.

There was nothing unusual about any of this other than Hauser, who was being paid by HBO, writing a hit piece to purposely confuse the public about the proper protocols.

The fools that SHOULD read that....will not.

[Elroy The Great]

The only thing unbiased is YOU! Do PEDs work in other sports? And if they do then why not boxing???

the ol ''ill answer a question with a question or 2 of my own'' routine

unbiased scientific links are still pending