The myth about Arum keeping Pac away from floyd 09-10

[djtmal]

Let's put this lame excuse to rest. When debating why the fight didnt happen the first time, the floyd fans like to use the excuse that bob arum was keeping manny away from floyd because bob knows that when manny loses to floyd then its gonna hurt his future earning potential since manny is bob's cash cow.

Well, canelo fought floyd way early on in his career and took a major schooling from floyd but yet this didnt hurt his ppv sales at all. in fact, he just did over $1mil against ggg. so what happen to losing to floyd will lower your ppv sales? are you gonna tell me that 2009-2010 manny is not as popular as canelo?

i can see what went on with alvarez go on with pac why not..

in 2009-2010 when they sat down from whats out there top rank came to the table with an agreement that didn't contain ridiculous demands unlike the mayweather camp, so i'm inclined to believe those guys tried to make a fight and were pretty confident about winning...the mayweathers with the janky testing demands looked like the shaky ones..., and they were cool with pac walking away from the table over the ost cutoff crap because they didn't want the fight at that time anyway....floyd already admitted to stalling the fight out no need to argue over who didn't want who..

i can see this being the case...floyd isn't some dangerous ko artist...worst case scenario pac gets shut out on the cards and just rebuilds his brand from that point...pac ko's some bums gets back on track, then pac vs. shane, cotto, margarito, and the marquez rivalry, those are all ppv worthy...

, but floyd, post hatton, was so anti risk in the ring that all pac really had to do in 2010 was chase him for 12 rounds and win the sentiment of the public...that or a close fight that demands a rematch and pac ups the ante brand name wise imo...

[uppercut510]

fair enough. I can respect that but pac's team wasnt the one that request random test out of the blue. If there was no random test, you agree the fight would have happen right? Because team pac would have no excuses then right?

those were the terms, they refused to take those test and had some very tacky reasons as to why... They took those same test in 2015 when the fight happened.

[WesternChamp]

Floyd's numbers against Berto were a direct backlash from the boxing lesson he gave Pac.

Casuals know nothing of the science and could not appreciate the masters class Floyd held May of 2015.

And, choosing Berto when other better challenges were out there definitely hurt too

We knew for months beforehand that the swansong would not be that big.

Are you saying Pac wasn't challenging himself after getting KTFO?

Rios and Bradley should have been huge fights but they weren't.

He did almost twice as good fighting Clottey, a guy with a lower profile, than Rios who had more recognition.

The Bradley fight would have easily done over a million against a Pac that hadn't taken a nap.

Algieri was coming off a FOTY candidate.

All those fights do better if the Catfish stays awake.

The loss clearly mattered and a loss to Floyd would have mattered more.

excuses excuses!! floyd just whoop on pac and it was his last fight. why the ppv flopped? LOL!!!!!!!

so now you're giving algieri credit??? just remember this LOL.

[The Big Dunn]

whether you wanna admit to it or not. 09-10 pac was a beast still. a lost to floyd wouldnt mean anything. they'll just throw him in with a bum, let him spark that bum out. and then everyone will be calling for a rematch with floyd again.

09-10 both these guys had no plans to retire and is still pretty much in their prime. if they fought in 09-10 regardless of who the winner is, im 100% sure there would have been a rematch.

His being a "beast" IYO doesn't mean he was a threat to defeat Floyd

I watched him lose to Morales and I saw Bob refuse to put him in with Raheem. Bob and the matchmakers had worked with Floyd. They knew the outcome.

I am fine if you disagree.

[soul_survivor]

Let me bring bakc the GOAT video:



when the fight could have happened at their peaks, Mayweather was too scared to fight. He admits it, on video, in front of journalists...so challenge to the usual suspects, how do you twist this video?

gonna tag a couple arse lickers:

larryxxx

RedFoXx

[The Big Dunn]

so you're telling me if pac fought floyd in 09-10 and lost.

his fight against shane would have flopped right?

against marg would have flopped right?

against marquez 3-4 would have flopped right?

I'm telling you is the same thing Roach did-it was Manny and Bob that refused the fight during this time. Simple.

If you refuse to accept this that is fine with me.

[WesternChamp]

those were the terms, they refused to take those test and had some very tacky reasons as to why... They took those same test in 2015 when the fight happened.

why are you dodging? and those werent the terms! its what floyd wanted out of the blue.

if no random testing was requested, the fight would have happen then? because according to you, team pac avoided it because of the test right? so if no random test was brought up, what else is team pac gonna walk out on?

[travestyny]

Let me bring bakc the GOAT video:



when the fight could have happened at their peaks, Mayweather was too scared to fight. He admits it, on video, in front of journalists...so challenge to the usual suspects, how do you twist this video?

gonna tag a couple arse lickers:

larryxxx

RedFoXx

How do you twist him signing a contract for a 50/50 split and Pac saying, "see ya"? Freddie Roach can admit it, but apparently you can't.

[WesternChamp]

I'm telling you is the same thing Roach did-it was Manny and Bob that refused the fight during this time. Simple.

If you refuse to accept this that is fine with me.

just as i thought. delfecting. like i said numerous time on here, im not here to debate on who is to blame, floyd or manny. we have a seperate thread for that.

im just here to expose the lies that bob was keeping pac away because a lost to floyd will hurt his earnings. stop bringing up what roach said. there's a whole thread on that.

[bluebeam]

no, its the choices of opponents. kirkland?? ****ing kirkland that got sparked out by an unknown japanese?

why did his ppv take a dive against smith? that was years after losing to floyd and they had already build canelo back up right? LOL!!!!

Kirkland got sparked out years before the canelo fight. Kirkland was coming off of a knockout win in his last fight. get your timeline right.

his fight took a dive because nobody in America or Mexico knew Liam Smith. they still don't know him after the canelo fight.

and you are proving my point. they built him back up by putting him in with kirkland,angulo,Smith bums that he could look good against. a kit kat chin Amir Khan as well. all fights designed to make him look amazing