The myth about Arum keeping Pac away from floyd 09-10

[WesternChamp]

Canelo has an local, ethnic fanbase from the inception of his career. Manny didn't have this. Canelo had never lost, so his 1st loss being to one of the greatest ever is expected. Manny had already.

The situations are not equal.

Bob and his matchmakers knew (or were fairly certain of) the outcome of the fight Floyd/Manny fight.

what time frame do you consider pac in his prime?

imo 2008-2011.

losing to floyd in 09-10 will not hurt him at all because he can still whoop on his opponents.

losing to floyd in 2015 is a lot different because now he's not what he used to be and cant do what he could before. this is why his ppv decline plus his choices of opponents hasnt been all that great.

[uppercut510]

im not here to discuss who is to blame. there's another thread for that. im only here to expose what the floyd fans said about why the fight didnt happen. im not interested to debate if it was floyd or manny's fault. there's a separate thread for that.

after the first negotiations I agree that both sides milked the fight but there is no way around this fact that when the fight mattered the most team pac ruined it lol. but yes in the grand scheme of things Floyd had his BS in the overall picture.

[bluebeam]

canelo is oscar cash cow too. canelo lost to floyd in 2013, BUT just hit 1mil against ggg. why do decline in ppv?

2.2 million against Floyd 2013
300k against Anglo 2014
300k against Lara 2014
free hbo against Kirkland 2015

see the decline?

it took 2 years to get back over the half a million buy rate


900k against cotto 2015
600k against Khan 2016
300k against smith2016
1 million against chavez 2017
1 million against golovkin 2017

[WesternChamp]

You are not very smart so its difficult to discuss anything with you. I said Canelo's base was local and ethnic. Manny didn't have that.

Floyd is superior to Manny and that is why Bob/Manny waited to fight him.

so manny didnt have local supporters??

so bob/manny waited, but canelo lost to floyd in 2013 and that didnt effect his earnings at all.

2013 canelo is pretty much in the same boat as 09-10 manny. 09-10 is when fans were saying pac will whoop on floyd and 2013 fans was saying canelo will whoop on floyd.

both of these guys were getting pretty much the same praises from the fans saying that they are the one to beat floyd. so if manny losing to floyd in 09-10 will hurt him then the same would have happen to canelo too!

[WesternChamp]

2.2 million against Floyd 2013
300k against Anglo 2014
300k against Lara 2014
free hbo against Kirkland 2015

see the decline?

it took 2 years to get back over the half a million buy rate


900k against cotto 2015
600k against Khan 2016
300k against smith2016
1 million against chavez 2017
1 million against golovkin 2017

no, its the choices of opponents. kirkland?? ****ing kirkland that got sparked out by an unknown japanese?

why did his ppv take a dive against smith? that was years after losing to floyd and they had already build canelo back up right? LOL!!!!

[WesternChamp]

after the first negotiations I agree that both sides milked the fight but there is no way around this fact that when the fight mattered the most team pac ruined it lol. but yes in the grand scheme of things Floyd had his BS in the overall picture.

fair enough. i can respect that BUT pac's team wasnt the one that request random test out of the blue. if there was no random test, you agree the fight would have happen right? because team pac would have no excuses then right?

[travestyny]

Let's put this lame excuse to rest. When debating why the fight didnt happen the first time, the floyd fans like to use the excuse that bob arum was keeping manny away from floyd because bob knows that when manny loses to floyd then its gonna hurt his future earning potential since manny is bob's cash cow.

Well, canelo fought floyd way early on in his career and took a major schooling from floyd but yet this didnt hurt his ppv sales at all. in fact, he just did over $1mil against ggg. so what happen to losing to floyd will lower your ppv sales? are you gonna tell me that 2009-2010 manny is not as popular as canelo?

Who says that Canelo's stock didn't take somewhat of a dip after losing to Mayweather? How do you even measure such a thing? Imagine him going into the fight with GGG with an undefeated record. Does that make people want to watch more?

Advertise that fight as two undefeated fighters, and I think it draws a bit more. Imagine he beats Mayweather. Then his future fights sell much more.

Yes he did good numbers vs. GGG, but as the other posters already told you, that was after years. Manny's whole aura was beginning to be centered around a bout with Mayweather. It's very obvious that after that loss, he would lose some steam.


It's so obvious how Arum played it. Keep bringing up Mayweather's name, avoid him, while maximizing profits fighting others and buliding this aura that he is the man who could beat May. If he loses that in 2010, his earnings take a hit. It's not even a difficult concept to understand!!!!

[koolkc107]

look at who he fought after that? rios, bradley, algieri, vargas, horn. these arent guys that will help him with his ppv. these guys are in the same category as berto. look how many ppv floyd did against berto and this was suppose to be floyd's last fight!! LOL! why did floyd's ppv took a dive? did he lose to manny?

Floyd's numbers against Berto were a direct backlash from the boxing lesson he gave Pac.

Casuals know nothing of the science and could not appreciate the masters class Floyd held May of 2015.

And, choosing Berto when other better challenges were out there definitely hurt too

We knew for months beforehand that the swansong would not be that big.

Are you saying Pac wasn't challenging himself after getting KTFO?

Rios and Bradley should have been huge fights but they weren't.

He did almost twice as good fighting Clottey, a guy with a lower profile, than Rios who had more recognition.

The Bradley fight would have easily done over a million against a Pac that hadn't taken a nap.

Algieri was coming off a FOTY candidate.

All those fights do better if the Catfish stays awake.

The loss clearly mattered and a loss to Floyd would have mattered more.

[WesternChamp]

Canelo has an local, ethnic fanbase from the inception of his career. Manny didn't have this. Canelo had never lost, so his 1st loss being to one of the greatest ever is expected. Manny had already.

The situations are not equal.

Bob and his matchmakers knew (or were fairly certain of) the outcome of the fight Floyd/Manny fight.

so you're telling me if pac fought floyd in 09-10 and lost.

his fight against shane would have flopped right?

against marg would have flopped right?

against marquez 3-4 would have flopped right?

[bluebeam]

what time frame do you consider pac in his prime?

imo 2008-2011.

losing to floyd in 09-10 will not hurt him at all because he can still whoop on his opponents.

losing to floyd in 2015 is a lot different because now he's not what he used to be and cant do what he could before. this is why his ppv decline plus his choices of opponents hasnt been all that great.

people bought pacquiao fights because of the fantasy of him beating Floyd.

after he lost the fantasy was over. it didn't matter what year.


people never bought canelo fights with Floyd in mind

it's apples and oranges.