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Who do the soviet bloc boxers usually have better jabs than American boxers?
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Originally posted by Vlad_ View PostGo back and see who was initiating 90% of the clinches.
Anyone who knows anything about boxing, and actually watched the fight critically would have seen this. Kovalev's who game plan revolved around clinching the life out of Ward everytime Ward got passed his jab.
Unfortunately has gassed very quickly and Ward started breaking those clinches easier and easier as the fight went on, which is why Kovalev got nailed so much on the inside in the second half of the fight.
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Originally posted by Ganstaz003 View PostAgainst Wladimir Klitschko's jab, inside fighting, head movement, adjustments, adaptability, body work, counter punching and changing looks is practically useless and pointless. It is HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE to get past a peak Wladimir Klitschko's jab. Especially if one is shorter than 6 feet 4 inches in height.
In other words, Wladimir Klitschko's jab alone >>>>>>> body punching, adaptability, counter punching, look changing, inside fighting and etc. of boxers like Floyd Mayweather Jr and Andre Ward.
Sergey Kovalev is one of the worst out of the Soviet Bloc bunch. Yet, he still had a far superior jab to Andre Ward.
Oleksandr Usyk is anything but robotic. He is the closest thing to Vasyl Lomachenko stylistically. Both very similar boxers.
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Originally posted by DrHouse579 View PostOK, why did his jab fail against a guy his size? Didn't Tyson Fury use unpredictable movement, counterpunching, and feinting to beat Vlad? And don't say he was old because a jab doesn't disappear with age.. just look at GGG @35 and how Vlad did against Joshua..
So Wladimir Klitschko's performance against Fury is irrelevant because I was referring to a peak Wladimir Klitschko. Wlad wasn't at his peak against Fury.
Wladimir Klitschko has already proved he can out-jab opponents his own size or even bigger. See his fights against Jameel Mccline, Tony Thompson and etc for proof.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostThey outjabbed the greatest of jabbers what great jabber did Wladimir or GGG ever outjab? Wladimir was getting outjabbed by Pulev he was also outjabbed by Fury and even possibly Joshua
Everytime he fought someone with a decent jab he was outjabbed.
Holmes, Ali and the likes were far more versatile with their jabs
Liston, Foreman are among the hardest jabbers in boxing history I believe the latter even knocked out and certainly knocked down a bag of opponents with the jab.
Wladimir Klitschko was never out-jabbed by anybody, except Tyson Fury whilst at the age of 39 and whilst over 10 years older than Fury. However, that's irrelevant because Wladimir Klitschko was no longer in his prime against Fury. My point was purely about a prime / peak version of Wladimir Klitschko
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostYet he was outjabbed by Pulev, Tyson Fury and maybe even Joshua. None of which will be remembered as a great jabber.
Wladimir Klitschko during and after the Pulev fight was out of his peak. My point was purely a peak / prime Wladimir Klitschko.
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Originally posted by Sledgeweather17 View PostPretty sure Floyd Mayweather, Errol Spence, Andre Ward, and Jermall Charlo each have better jabs than all of those fools combined.
Why does Floyd Mayweather Jr need to do all those other things if his jab was so good? Same applies for Errol Spence and Jermall Charlo?
Wladimir Klitschko with his jab alone, gets hit less than any of those fools, plus has the ability to inflict far greater damage on his opponents whilst taking less relative to those aforementioned fools. That is, with just his jab and his 'LIMITED' style.
Yet, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Errol Spence Jr and Charlo with all of their completeness and versatility compared to Wlad, still get hit more and still aren't anywhere near as good as Wlad offensively.
Let that sink in!
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Originally posted by Sledgeweather17 View PostIs that why Charlo has the highest number of jab knock downs in the sport?
Is that why Spence caved Brook's eye socket in with his jab alone?
Coz Americans have weak pathetic jabs?
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Originally posted by Sledgeweather17 View PostPrime, 26 year old Wlad was KTFO by an old, 37 year old, out of shape South African (Courie Saunders) by launching counter straight lefts over that jab you're hyping up.
However, Corrie Sanders couldn't deal with Wlad's jab. It was due to onean anvil-ling headbutt, in addition to a few punches that Corrie Sanders landed which Wlad couldn't recover from. Prior to that, Wlad dominated Sanders with his jab.
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Originally posted by charliepaerker View PostWhy were Andre and Floyd able to use all these things to beat countless world champions? While Wlads jab was neutralized by Corey Sanders, Brewster, Fury, Joshua and to an extent Sam Peters?
Whilst Wladimir Klitschko with his jab alone, achieved more feats than Ward or Floyd did using more 'MOVES' or 'TACTICS'.
The ONLY time Wlad's jab was neutralized, was against Fury, where he was close to 40 years of age against an opponent that is over 10 years younger, whilst Wlad was significantly past his peak. None of those other boxers neutralized Wlad's jab.
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