Who ranks higher all-time: Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe?

[daggum]

As someone who has talked his fair share of crap about Andre Ward because I think he's a diva and refuses to understand what that its his entitled attitude and boring style that makes him unpopular and not his skin tone. But Ward was the better and more skilled boxer. And his resume is better. Calzaghe stayed at 168 for almost his entire career and didn't move up until much later for money fights against Hopkins and a shot RJJ (can't believe that mofo is still fighting all those years later). Ward moved up and challenged the divisions killer. Say what you want about his victories over Kovalev in 20 years boxrec.com will still have Ward 2-0 over him.

so your argument is that in the future people will be so ignorant that they won't remember how he was gifted those fights? and thats your argument in favor of ward.....hmm

[yankees7448]

so your argument is that in the future people will be so ignorant that they won't remember how he was gifted those fights? and thats your argument in favor of ward.....hmm

What I am saying is that in 20 years people won't be as petty about things as people are now because they won't have the emotional baggage associated with it.

[daggum]

What I am saying is that in 20 years people won't be as petty about things as people are now because they won't have the emotional baggage associated with it.

you think robberies and punching people in the nuts and getting tko wins will be looked upon kindly in 20 years??? like i said only ignorance and ignorant people will look kindly on ward. you appealed to boxrec instead of saying in 20 years when people watch tthe kovalev fights...because you know if they watch those fights they will see a clear loss and clear fouls that ended the other.

[The Hammer]

Bernard Hopkins and Robin Reid.

Joe won both fights clearly.

Reid even said on TV n the post fight interview that he lost.

Hopkins was a poor sport about his loss, as always.

[FinitoxDinamita]

Andre ward hands down.

*** Joe Calbtch.

[Cutthroat]

Joe won both fights clearly.

Reid even said on TV n the post fight interview that he lost.

Hopkins was a poor sport about his loss, as always.

“I was told afterwards to be gracious in defeat so my Press conference quotes reflected that. Then I went home, watched the tape for the first time, and it confirmed that I had won."
-Robin Reid


Don't know how you can compare a guy who arguably lost to Robin Reid to Ward, it's an insult. No contest, Ward wipes the floor with him.

[Redd Foxx]

These are 2 of my top 3 all time favorites. I might even like Joe a little more than Andre. But, Ward has accomplished more. Not really debatable, IMO.

[Pigeons]

This is my unbiased top 10 ranking of their best wins:
1) Kovalev II - Ward
2) Kovalev I - Ward
3) Old Hopkins - Calzaghe
4) Froch - Ward
5) Kessler - Calzaghe
6) Kessler - Ward
7) Dawson - Ward
8) Old Eubank - Calzaghe
9) Abraham - Ward
10) Lacy - Calzaghe or Bika - Ward

Ward > Calzaghe

[daggum]

This is my unbiased top 10 ranking of their best wins:
1) Kovalev II - Ward
2) Kovalev I - Ward
3) Old Hopkins - Calzaghe
4) Froch - Ward
5) Kessler - Calzaghe
6) Kessler - Ward
7) Dawson - Ward
8) Old Eubank - Calzaghe
9) Abraham - Ward
10) Lacy - Calzaghe or Bika - Ward

Ward > Calzaghe

both guys are total sh-it. their 3 best wins should have been losses.

[b00g13man]

This isn't going according to plan. Will OP break out the alts?

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