Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo vs. Golovkin Post-Fight Mania

[aboutfkntime]

All of those things would've been great things to do.

But he was not obligated to do any of that.

forget " obligated ".....

although..... it is bizarre that Golovkin must feel "obligated" in order to fight.....

BEFORE shht got real:

October 2014
Ring TV.com: If you could, for a moment, could you specifically address the notion of fighting Andre Ward and/or Miguel Cotto or Canelo Alvarez?

Gennady Golovkin: I have big respect for Andre Ward. He has accomplished many things in the ring. My focus is to fight at middleweight unless there is a big fight at 154 or 168 that would be on pay-per-view. I think both Canelo and Cotto are warriors in the ring. They both have big hearts and both would be a big event and pay-per-view fights.
https://www.ring tv.com/362749-gennady-golovkin-puts-miguel-cotto-atop-his-wish-list/



AFTER shht got real:

October 2015
"Cotto-Canelo takes place at a catch-weight of 155-pounds. Canelo has never fought above 155. Cotto has never fought at the full middleweight limit. He fought Daniel Geale at 157 and Sergio Martinez at 159. Cotto stated in past interviews that all of his future opponents would be subject to a catch-weight.....

"I'm champion of 160, middleweight is my comfortable weight. For what [reason would I do a catch-weight]? For business or for what? I'm a boxer. I'm the champion of the middleweight division," Golovkin said."
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-...-canelo--97113

what changed in 12 months ?



shht got real..... THAT, is what changed

[The D3vil]

yep, Golovkin had no concern with legacy

just tip-toeing through the tulips, in a weak middleweight era

when he ran around for FIVE YEARS saying "anyone from 154-168", who did you think he meant?

we thought that he meant Cotto, if he was ever lucky enough to be in that position

FACT: Cotto was his best possible payday at that point

so, who did you think he meant ?

Completely irrelevant.

Marvin Hagler didn't have to go up to 168 to be great.

Neither did Carlos Monzon.

Both just held the middleweight championship and beat damn near everybody for it.

That's ALL GGG was and is obligated to do.

As long as he fights everybody at 160 who wanted it without ducking them, he'll be fine by me.

I don't judge fighters by what they say.

I judge them by what they do.

All he's done is fight everybody he was supposed to, who would fight him at 160.

[aboutfkntime]

Completely irrelevant.

Marvin Hagler didn't have to go up to 168 to be great.

Neither did Carlos Monzon.

Both just held the middleweight championship and beat damn near everybody for it.

That's ALL GGG was and is obligated to do.

As long as he fights everybody at 160 who wanted it without ducking them, he'll be fine by me.

I don't judge fighters by what they say.

I judge them by what they do.

All he's done is fight everybody he was supposed to, who would fight him at 160.

Golovkin beat up Pepe Le Pew, then he sc****d past Jacobs/Canelo

it doesn't take very long to sum up his resume

you judge a man by his words, AND by his actions

I have been lied to, and I object

you have been lied to, and you don't care

that is the difference

[aboutfkntime]

Completely irrelevant.

Marvin Hagler didn't have to go up to 168 to be great.

Neither did Carlos Monzon.

Both just held the middleweight championship and beat damn near everybody for it.

That's ALL GGG was and is obligated to do.

As long as he fights everybody at 160 who wanted it without ducking them, he'll be fine by me.

I don't judge fighters by what they say.

I judge them by what they do.

All he's done is fight everybody he was supposed to, who would fight him at 160.

those guys talked little, but fought big

Golovkin has talked big, but fought little

he completely failed to live up to his hype

I don't know how you could possibly arrive at the conclusions that you have come to

I 100% completely disagree, there are no similarities there

Hagler/Monzon did not run around for FIVE YEARS threatening to beat "anyone from 154-168"

[The D3vil]

those guys talked little, but fought big

Golovkin has talked big, but fought little

he completely failed to live up to his hype

I don't know how you could possibly arrive at the conclusions that you have come to

I 100% completely disagree, there are no similarities there

Hagler/Monzon did not run around for FIVE YEARS threatening to beat "anyone from 154-168"

Just admit that you don't like GGG and get it over with.

I can't believe that anybody takes what athletes say this seriously.

I mean, Floyd talks about beating GGG easily. I don't take that **** seriously.

Jim Brown was talking about being the best running back in football 15 years after he retired. I aint take that **** seriously.

Muhammad Ali said he was so mean that he made medicine sick. I didn't take that **** seriously.

GGG was the middle weight champion and fought everybody that would fight him.

That's all that matters.

You harping on some random statement that just amounts to a guy talking smack, which is what like 90% of athletes do.

He either fought who he was supposed to or he didn't. And he did.

[aboutfkntime]

Just admit that you don't like GGG and get it over with.

I can't believe that anybody takes what athletes say this seriously.

I mean, Floyd talks about beating GGG easily. I don't take that **** seriously.

Jim Brown was talking about being the best running back in football 15 years after he retired. I aint take that **** seriously.

Muhammad Ali said he was so mean that he made medicine sick. I didn't take that **** seriously.

GGG was the middle weight champion and fought everybody that would fight him.

That's all that matters.

You harping on some random statement that just amounts to a guy talking smack, which is what like 90% of athletes do.

He either fought who he was supposed to or he didn't. And he did.

this is his resume.....

Pepe Le Pew
Jacobs*
Canelo*

are you telling me that his resume would not improve with names of current/former ex-champs like Mora, Lara, Cotto, Ward?

labeling K2/Golovkin's FIVE YEAR "anyone from 154-168" marketing plan as a "random statement"..... is being totally dishonest

pretending like that was some off-handed comment, rather than a concerted PR/marketing strategy..... is being more than a little dishonest

Carl Froch is an example of an over-achiever

Gennady " anyone from 154-168 " Golovkin, is an example of an under-achiever

it is that simple

from the other thread.....

it abso-fkn-lutely does

why burn history just because you love Golovkin ?

I very rarely agree with you

you have a typical skewed " fan " viewpoint

the WHOLE story is this.....

the determining factor for greatness is.....

who you beat, with consideration given to when/how

NOTHING else

the number of divisions you represented, is completely irrelevant

Willie Pep only ever fought in one division

but, here is the point you are missing.....

the guys who fought in multiple divisions had more opportunities to face elite/great fighters

Golovkin has a very average resume, fighting in a stagnant middleweight era..... and he did not move up - or make any type of concessions - to chase bigger/better fights.....

whichever way a fighter chooses to manage his career, the results will speak for themselves..... and results = resume

names ONLY..... NO excuses

THAT is the whole story..... not just the bit that you thought reflected well on Golovkin

[aboutfkntime]

like Pacquiao, Golovkin's fans have extremely low expectations from Gennady.....

I expected more from someone who promised the 154-168 world, but then refused to lift a finger to make those fights happen

there is nothing inaccurate in what I said..... so labelling that comment as "hate", is just a childish excuse

[The D3vil]

this is his resume.....

Pepe Le Pew
Jacobs*
Canelo*

are you telling me that his resume would not improve with names of current/former ex-champs like Mora, Lara, Cotto, Ward?

labeling K2/Golovkin's FIVE YEAR "anyone from 154-168" marketing plan as a "random statement"..... is being totally dishonest

pretending like that was some off-handed comment, rather than a concerted PR/marketing strategy..... is being more than a little dishonest

Carl Froch is an example of an over-achiever

Gennady " anyone from 154-168 " Golovkin, is an example of an under-achiever

it is that simple

from the other thread.....

I never said his resume couldn't improve.

Everybody's resume could've improved except maybe Ali and Ray Robinson or something.

What I'm saying is that a guy isn't obligated to go above and beyond what's expected of him.

A champion is expected to defend his belt against all comers. I see no proof that GGG didn't do that.

It's not his fault that enough comers wanted it with him when he was in his prime.

If he moved up to 168, would his resume be better, hell yeah!

If he gained 50 lbs & fought Klitschko, would that have made his resume better?

Of course!

He wasn't obligated to do any of that ****.

He fought everybody he was supposed to at the division he was champion at. Nothing else.

It's not like Canelo who was the middleweight champ and refusing to fight guys at 160 or other guys we see who stall and delay and wait for guys to move out of the division.

He aint do none of that. He fought at the division that he was supposed to. He wasn't like guys who are naturally bigger and then drain themselves the night before to make weight.

He's naturally a middlweight. He fought at middleweight and he beat everybody who'd fight him at middleweight

Will he go down as all-time top 10?

No, but he did what was obligated from him.

[aboutfkntime]

I never said his resume couldn't improve.

Everybody's resume could've improved except maybe Ali and Ray Robinson or something.

What I'm saying is that a guy isn't obligated to go above and beyond what's expected of him.

A champion is expected to defend his belt against all comers. I see no proof that GGG didn't do that.

It's not his fault that enough comers wanted it with him when he was in his prime.

If he moved up to 168, would his resume be better, hell yeah!

If he gained 50 lbs & fought Klitschko, would that have made his resume better?

Of course!

He wasn't obligated to do any of that ****.

He fought everybody he was supposed to at the division he was champion at. Nothing else.

It's not like Canelo who was the middleweight champ and refusing to fight guys at 160 or other guys we see who stall and delay and wait for guys to move out of the division.

He aint do none of that. He fought at the division that he was supposed to. He wasn't like guys who are naturally bigger and then drain themselves the night before to make weight.

He's naturally a middlweight. He fought at middleweight and he beat everybody who'd fight him at middleweight

Will he go down as all-time top 10?

No, but he did what was obligated from him.

this is what you have successfully argued.....

that Golovkin, is average.....

that he has done nothing more than was expected from him..... that he has done nothing more than he was obligated to do..... despite competing in an obviously stagnant middleweight era..... and that he would not lift a finger to make bigger/better fights, because he was not obligated to do so

I would agree with that..... but I would also add that he is an under-achiever, considering all of that 154-168 nonsense..... he has certainly delivered far lees than what was promised five years ago

so mentioning all-time top 10 - or even close - is absurd

and insulting

because, those fighters did MUCH more than they were "obligated" to do..... they achieved MUCH more than was expected of them..... and most of them went out of their way to reach for greatness, rather than just sit there doing what was "obligated" of them

" obligated "..... is a very ordinary, average, word.....

you usually hear that word referring to mid-level contenders and paper champs..... and Golovkin is obviously better than that

[The D3vil]

this is what you have successfully argued.....

that Golovkin, is average.....

that he has done nothing more than was expected from him..... that he has done nothing more than he was obligated to do..... despite competing in an obviously stagnant middleweight era..... and that he would not lift a finger to make bigger/better fights, because he was not obligated to do so

I would agree with that..... but I would also add that he is an under-achiever, considering all of that 154-168 nonsense..... he has certainly delivered far lees than what was promised five years ago

so mentioning all-time top 10 - or even close - is absurd

and insulting

because, those fighters did MUCH more than they were "obligated" to do..... they achieved MUCH more than was expected of them..... and most of them went out of their way to reach for greatness, rather than just sit there doing what was "obligated" of them

" obligated "..... is a very ordinary, average, word.....

you usually hear that word referring to mid-level contenders and paper champs..... and Golovkin is obviously better than that

That's fine.

I specifically said he wouldn't go down in the top 10.

All I said was he didn't duck anybody and beat everybody that was willing to challenge him for his belt.

If you think that that makes him average in a historical context, fine.

He did what was obligated and didn't duck any MWs. Nothing else needs to be said