Comments Thread For: Golovkin-Canelo and The Predictable Controversy

[Dasmius Shinobi]

Neither, prove a merit for a win.

Neither Canelo and Golovkin merit a win against each other. Neither have the advantage against each other. So, Canelo and Golovkin have to do this again, because in this fight both styles negated each other, impeding a win period.

[Rock&Roll]

I felt Canelo won
7-5.
Yes GGG was having Canelo move backwards and Canelo was on the ropes,but here is my question,was it effective?

A lot of the time GGG threw punches yes,but he never landed anything og significance. I remember in 1 of the rounds, Canelo landed this amateurish hook, and I was like "how did that land?!".

Canelo did fight in spurts and GGG was pushing him back,but the problem I had was Canelo in those spurts landed alot of clean punches, GGG being aggressive missed like crazy.

Do people only score on punching and aggressiveness? or do they score on effective aggressiveness as in clean punches?

There were points in the fight where Canelo stood right infront of GGG and he beat him standing infront of him.

the question of how who won is a matter of how you score fights
the argument for GGG are

+Aggressiveness
+Punches thrown
+Punches landed

Arguments Against
-Missed a lot
-Didn't land a lot clean on the face
-Ate a lot of clean punches

As we all know, the main criteria for judging is:
-Who's hurting the other guy more than the other guy is hurting him?

This is more accurate than 'who is landing clean punches' as this is not amateur scoring where you get a point each time you tap them on the head, even if it was a nothing punch. In pro boxing, we are concerned whether that punch is actually hurting the other guy.

When this is not obvious, the judges fall back on agressiveness, defense, ring generalship etc..

A lot of Canelo's punches landed on the gloves (and a lot of ggg's punches missed), so when the rounds are even, which many were in this case, they look at who is controlling the ring, as this is boxing - not dancing, and credit needs to go to the person throwing punches, being active, coming forward, engaging in a boxing match.

These actions are looked upon more favourably, and rightfully so, than simply being in the ring and making your opponent miss. After all, this is called boxing, the object is to punch the other person (plus hurt them) and if that can't be done then at least coming forward trying to do it.

Lastly, defense is easier when you are moving and being defensive (with footwork and body movement). Defense is more difficult when you are being offensive and agressive (coming forward, looking to engage).
Given the object of boxing is to box the opponent and it's more difficult to do this coming forward, i'd say Golovkins defense was great relative to his agression.

Both guys struggled to land anything significant and hurt the othet guy, so credit to the man trying to make a fight out of it.

[Gillie]

I am wondering what would have happened had GGG actually landed a big right hand square on Canelo's chin? Would he have been able to take it. I thought GGG won without landing a monster shot. The rematch will be interesting and probably less tactical. We shall see.

[Steven Mccowan]

That fight was not a draw. 8/4 ggg 7/5 if you were drunk. If you didn't see ggg have effective aggression all night with Canella going backwards all night then you do not know the criteria to score

I agree. Too many these kids on here saying what they scored the fight but not comprehending that there was a clear winner. And that by saying they had a drawvor whatever only shows they have no clue how to score fights. I for one am not buying vegas cards anymore. I will free stream any vegas cards. Technology has caught up and there are plenty great quality streams to watch. The judges, the 'fans' that justify them, and fighters who only fight once a yr are really hurting the sport. Oh by the way i had it 8-4 easy and i didnt really even care at beginning who won.

[LetOutTheCage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvggfTw1JdQ

Jacobs reaction to the fight was priceless, I think it perfectly illustrates what most people thought.

[Mike_R]

That Byrd scorecard is the worst I've ever seen. The margin of victory puts it in it's own league of how unbelievably wrong it is.

It's almost like she was hedging against a possible late-rounds knockdown against Canelo or something so that he could still win the fight even if he went down at some point- but then it ended up just insane looking.

It sucks, that one score card tarnished this whole fight. Boxing once again is a laughing stock to casuals.

The decision itself- being a draw- isn't great; but if it had been a majority draw with two 114-114 cards and a 115-113 for G then I would have understood that.

It was a very good fight. Both guys proved a lot of positive things about themselves. All of it now overshadowed.

Multiple people said that G wouldn't be able to win a decision no matter what, and it's a joke how obvious the fix was ahead of time. WWE levels of predictability.

[Scipio2009]

As we all know, the main criteria for judging is:
-Who's hurting the other guy more than the other guy is hurting him?

This is more accurate than 'who is landing clean punches' as this is not amateur scoring where you get a point each time you tap them on the head, even if it was a nothing punch. In pro boxing, we are concerned whether that punch is actually hurting the other guy.

When this is not obvious, the judges fall back on agressiveness, defense, ring generalship etc..

A lot of Canelo's punches landed on the gloves (and a lot of ggg's punches missed), so when the rounds are even, which many were in this case, they look at who is controlling the ring, as this is boxing - not dancing, and credit needs to go to the person throwing punches, being active, coming forward, engaging in a boxing match.

These actions are looked upon more favourably, and rightfully so, than simply being in the ring and making your opponent miss. After all, this is called boxing, the object is to punch the other person (plus hurt them) and if that can't be done then at least coming forward trying to do it.

Lastly, defense is easier when you are moving and being defensive (with footwork and body movement). Defense is more difficult when you are being offensive and agressive (coming forward, looking to engage).
Given the object of boxing is to box the opponent and it's more difficult to do this coming forward, i'd say Golovkins defense was great relative to his agression.

Both guys struggled to land anything significant and hurt the othet guy, so credit to the man trying to make a fight out of it.

Canelo got up and went to a party after the fight (had some marks, but nothing too terrible beyond that); Golovkin's eyes were already closing up at the press conference, likely getting worse as the night went on.

Shots did bounce off of Golovkin's gloves, but you can't ignore the amount of times that Alvarez snapped Golovkin's head back.

[OmarRueben]

Great fight between two great fighters but a weird decision-WEIRD

Okay most of us with a brain realize boxing is a fixed sport controlled by seedy greedy promoters where cash is king and titles mean nothing. Golovkin will get another huge payday in the 2nd fight. Canelo fought well and came through as a warrior but Canelo lost the fight to GGG. But most of us in the know behind the scenes said a 2nd fight and a 3rd was where the big money was at. Vegas wins large in this also. Granted the woman judge Bryd should be banned from boxing period. But GGG got paid in full and gets the opportunity to beat up Canelo a 2nd and 3rd time for more cash.
Boxing is a fixed sport with fighters occasionally losing on purpose. Wlad threw the Fury fight and most believe Wlad made over $50 million in losing the fight. The stench of boxing with diseased air will always permeate and rot the the boxing scene. Boxing is filled with low class gutter kids with nothing from the bottom of the crooked life's barrel.

[JoeKidd]

Why do all keep justifying the scorecards by claiming the fight was "CLOSE"? What is a CLOSE fight these days????? Because competitive fights are so rare these days, everyone now regards a competitive fight as a CLOSE fight. Canelo fought in spurts. He LOST. Nothing close about this fight. He fought in spurts because he was saving energy for those fleeting moments. GGG pressed him all night and made him run like a b*tch. But GGG was never going to win a decision in Las Vegas. We all knew this.

[The tucker]

How do you win a round when you in the first 45 seconds of the round you don't throw a single punch? Not even a jab?

Exactly ggg was was hesitant in the 1st couple of rounds.