Why was Chavez's loss erased in his 12th fight?

[billeau2]

Larry

To understand why this occurs its important to see what leads to these situations. If we look at a professional sport like baseball, or basketball there is one country where the best league plays. The issue has been raised for years that the NFL, for example, is different than the college game, and that basketball prodigies are coming up in other nations, but it will be many years before there is a better league than the top dog we have.

Boxing operates all over the globe. There is not really a measure as to why one sanctioning body is better than another. So really all the organizations that protect the integrity of a boxing match are, in a sense ad hoc groups...just as the judges are picked, not based on skill, but exclusively through experience.

So should we just make the government sanction everyone the same way? I don't know... But refs being overturned and rules being broken, and existing in different forms in different federations has always been a problem. For example, the three knockdown rule...sometimes it applies, sometimes it does not.

[TheBigLug]

I remember when I first heard of Canelo, I'm talking like a year or two before he even made his way to the States; I don't even think he was a huge name in Mexico yet because most of the footage I found on him from the time were taken from the audience and obviously had horrible quality.
But anyways, I went to go check him out on BoxRec. Instinctively that's the first thing one does when they're unfamiliar with a boxer.
I remember BoxRec listed him with 3 defeats at the time.
I always found it weird that his defeats vanished once he started fighting in the US.
Maybe BoxRec made a mistake but I just found it interesting that once he started making a name for himself his record all of the sudden changed.
I believe he was also listed with two draws. Like I said it could be very possible that BoxRec just had it wrong at time, but this just reminded me of that.

If I knew Canelo was going to become this big I would have taken a picture or something.

Something like this wouldn't surprise me. It's like when there's some dispute over some fighters actual amateur records. Their records vary quite a bit depending on the source. Some sources claim that Golovkin and Lomachenko lost more amateur fights than their "official" record today says.

It wouldn't surprise me if it's the case with professional boxing too when it's away from the cameras, on small shows in Mexico or wherever. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get away with it now, but 10-11 years ago, probably a bit easier.

Let's be fair, Canelo started fighting pro at 15 and those early fights in Mexico were like his amateur apprenticeship in a way. Would it be that surprising if he lost a few? whether it's on or off the record.

Also, it might be worth going on something like webarchive and see if there's any cache's of Canelo's record from years ago.

[Johnny2x2x]

JCC's loss turned to a win is not even the closest thing to the most egregious feature of his 87-0. Fighting 18 either making their debut or being winless and another 17 guys with less than 6 wins is way worse. He had a hand full of quality wins in those 87, probably around 10-12 at most.

[soul_survivor]

lol Larry u are so far up mays arse you cant even think straight

results get overturned, thats boxing, get the *** over it

what hurts you most is now you know 50-0 dont mean ****

[Pigeons]

They disputed the DQ and it was overturned..

You see this sometimes.. Toney-Rahman 2 had the decision changed from tko to NC..

I've never seen a decision overturned into anything other than a NC.

[b00g13man]

I've never seen a decision overturned into anything other than a NC.

Badou Jack's "draw" with Bute was changed to a DQ win.

[Teetotaler]

So they changed the decision. They did it with rigos last fight if i remember

[RyanjLarose]

yeah we get it, mayweathers 50-0 is great...your agenda is sooooo transparent bro

[Sugar Adam Ali]

... SO: the guy was 19 yo, and in his 12th bout met a journeyman in Ruiz, gets DQd by the ref for punching after the bell in round one... the commission overturns the decision the day after, deciding that Sr. won by KO... Conclusion: Sr is a cheating wreck... OK, OK...

Yea but his manager, worked for the commission...??

It's Mexico, wtf you expect


Anybody ever actually seen this fight? Any footage?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I've never seen a decision overturned into anything other than a NC.

I'm sure it has happened before, but yeah, I'm struggling to think of anything other than NC.


Stevie Johnston-Castillo and Barrera-Juarez were the only fights I can think that commission changed it, but it was directly after the fight in the locker room.. never a few days later