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Finally!!! This Chocolatito scam is over!!!!
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Originally posted by Kagami Taiga View PostI'd say the difference is Kovalev pretty much destroyed all those top guys he faced. Gonzalez has been struggling with guys for a while now. Probably all size related. But still when his size advantage disappeared, his style's weaknesses became very apparent. I don't think he's any better than Nonito Donaire.l tbh. HoFer. But p4p #1? I never saw it.
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Hell. Romans boxing career is over, hopefully. It seems like when he hit a lil glory he was exposed.
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Originally posted by Code Red View PostWho got more skills, Ward or Chocolito? Who actually has the ability adjust their gameplan, style, and tactics? Definitely not Gonzalez! A fighter who can't make adjustments does not belong in the p4p list
He is offensively lightyears ahead of Andre Ward who imho isn't that skilled he's just a crafty spoiler with a high ring IQ allowed to foul as he pleases see Bika, Kessler, both Kovalev fights, Edwin Rodriguez etc etc. If he was so skilled he'd of been able to take away Kovalevs jab and wouldn't of been getting comprehensively outboxed by a guy spamming the one-two over and over again.
Better combination puncher, he has a more developed right hand and a lot more variety on it too, better offensive footwork, better counterpuncher.
I see that as true skill able to glide in, utilise head movement and counter in combination and glide back out. Fighting at close quarters takes a lot more skill than circling negatively flicking out a jab before falling in, clinching, rabbit punching and using a series of roughhouse, illegal tactics but each to their own.
This will probably baffle people and they can disagree just like I disagree with Ward being this supremely skilled boxer which he frankly isn't. If they want to believe he's more skilled than a Gonzales, Rigondeaux, Floyd, Lomachenko and the likes its on them but I see is a spoiler who can't even put more than 2 punches together.
He gets the job done, he knows how to find a way too win but to me I wouldn't personally say he was hugely skilled.Last edited by dan_cov; 09-10-2017, 12:50 AM.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostChocolatito.
He is offensively lightyears ahead of Andre Ward who imho isn't that skilled he's just a crafty spoiler. If he was so skilled he'd of been able to take away Kovalevs jab and wouldn't of been getting comprehensively outboxed by a guy spamming the one-two over and over again.
Better combination puncher, he has a more developed right hand and a lot more variety on it too, better offensive footwork, better counterpuncher.
I see that as true skill able to glide in, utilise head movement and counter in combination and glide back out. Fighting at close quarters takes a lot more skill than circling negatively flicking out a jab before falling in, clinching, rabbit punching and using a series of roughhouse, illegal tactics but each to their own.
This will probably baffle people and they can disagree just like I disagree with Ward being this supremely skilled boxer which he frankly isn't. If they want to believe he's more skilled than a Gonzales, Rigondeaux, Floyd, Lomachenko and the likes its on them but I see is a spoiler who can't even put more than 2 punches together.
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Originally posted by Code Red View PostGonzalez just comes forward throwing punches and blocking shots with his face.
Who wants to see a guy flicking out a jab every now and again and constantly clinching and clamping fighters arms and ****?
When you're aggressive as he is and throw the volume he does you will get tagged. He has slowed down and gets hit more now.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostHe has very good defence considering how offensive he is. I'm certain he could adopt a far more safety first approach and fight very negatively and not get hit but who wants to see that?
Who wants to see a guy flicking out a jab every now and again and constantly clinching and clamping fighters arms and ****?
When you're aggressive as he is and throw the volume he does you will get tagged. He has slowed down and gets hit more now.
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