he definitive guide to Arum ducking fighters and spreading lies

[whoelsebutjames]

The only person who has cried throughout this thread is you.

We just gone keep stepping on these Top Rank ring card girls necks.

Off subject. I do think Too Rank has the best stable of Ring Card Girls bar none.

Boxingscene posts all kinds of Skip Bayless-Esque news articles all day long because that's what it's fan base wants to hear. There are only a few writers on the site who can report a story and manage their bias at the same time. Why do spam posters want to censor the conversation ?!?

Here's Bob aka Joe Pesci saying Rigo wants 3 million dollars. If you paid attention to my initial post than you know everybody wants a million dollars. We all know this is the way Bob tries to hose fighters in the negotiations. Hey if he won't agree to fight for pennies Bob will just have Lomanchenko vs Marriaga 2.

Here's Bob throwing more slander at Rigo and Salido.



Now check this out. Now remember when I said that Arum slanders his own fighters. Which is strange since they pay him to promote them not hurt them. Let's look at this article back when Rigondeaux was with Top Rank.
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"Unusually blunt Bob Arum pays a publicist to distribute articles about his fighter Guillermo Rigondeaux that are less than flattering. Fred Sternburg, an independent public relations specialist who works for Arum’s Top Rank Promotions, has been distributing stories on Facebook and Twitter that condemn Rigondeaux as a boring fighter who didn’t help his career much by defeating popular Nonito Donaire."

https://www.*************.com/column...no-detractors/

[whoelsebutjames]

Your thread title addressed ducking, we cannot have a discussion about ducking and spreading lies without Floyd. He is the crowned king of ducking.

The problem is you guys don't like fair conversation. I like Pacquiao. I like Lomanchenko. But if one person gets criticized, why not all. That's what unbiased is.

Duck duck duck. Ok.

Lol we can have a discussion about Loma ducking. Loma challenging people to winner takes all matches sounds very macho. Until you remember that nobody's going to accept that as this is a career and their actual job.

What he's really saying is that if you want to fight me you gotta to be willing to do it for near-free. i posted his viewership numbers and he's no yet a superstar. Beating him may give you clout but it ain't going to make you a superstar either.

Oscar Valdez
Miguel Berchelt
Orando Salido
Robert Easter Jr.
Mikey Garcia
Jorge Linares
Terry Flanagan
Jessie Magdalena
Leo Santa Cruz
Abner Mares
Joseph Diaz Jr.
Jezreel Corrales

[maracho]

Bob Arum is a megolmaniac. If he ever shut up, none of this information would be public in the first place. But he has to tell you how smart he is, because that's his nature. For instance.....
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"Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said that Manny Pacquiao should blame himself for his painful loss against the Australian boxer Jeff Horn.

Bob Arum said that the Filipino boxer has no one to blame for his loss but himself and said that he already warned Pacman. He also claimed that the overconfidence of Pacman’s team did not help the boxer.

Arum also explained that the team didn’t help the Filipino boxing icon by boasting of an easy victory over the undefeated Horn. He also explained that Horn was a competent fighter as he watched its fight in New Zealand .

https://philnews.ph/2017/07/05/manny-pacquiao-blame-loss-bob-arum-says/

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Bobs always blaming somebody for something. It's his team. It's ariza. It's roach. It's Haymon. He's always pointing fingers. What's the big deal if I point the finger at him for once ?

He says he watched Horn. This is misleading. He signed Horn for his US rights. You'd have to read a dozen articles on the subject to be aware of it.

Professional Boxing writers are well aware of things like this, and everything else I posted in the thread and more. Yet they still promote any lies that come out of Arums mouth- unquestioned Why don't they dissect Arum, the same way they dissect fighters personal lives ??? Idk. Maybe theirs a conflict of interest?? Lol Either way, that's not fair and unbiased coverage.

Second. As Pacquiao promoter I beleive he should be representing pacquaios promotioonal interest. How is this article helpings Pacquiaos career? Telling him in private is helping. Telling him in public is shifting the blame from his company to his client. He takes at least 40% of Pacquiaos money gk damage his reputation as a fighter. Lol

You guys are welcome to state your opinion. This is America and that's your right. i don't care what you think of him, thats your right. One thing I did notice is nobody posted anything showing that Bobs a decent guy??
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http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/...clude-pacquiao

Arum told ESPN he has big plans for Horn next year in the United States.

Arum has Horn, who represented Australia in the 2012 Olympics, in mind as the next opponent for either Timothy Bradley Jr. or Jessie Vargas, both Top Rank fighters and former welterweight titleholders.
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Here's Arum planning to manufacture another fighter with his Paper Mill. He can get anybody a resume in anytime if you actually beleive that half his fighters are worth a damn in the first place

Yet, Horn didn't face Vargas of Bradley. He went straight to Pacquiao. Here's why.

Pacquiao’s contract with Top Rank is said to have expired at the end of 2016.
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MANNY Pacquiao insisted the recent fight he had against Jeff Horn for the World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight title was his last under his current contract with Top Rank.

http://www.spin.ph/boxing/manny-pacquiao/news/manny-pacquiao-not-looking-of-going-elsewhere-despite-insisting-jeff-horn-fight-was-his-last-with-top-rank-#Bghyd9XzcwqdrFzP.99

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Wow finally a video that makes a lot of sense about Arum's corruption

[whoelsebutjames]

We just gone keep stepping on these Top Rank ring card girls necks.

Off subject. I do think Too Rank has the best stable of Ring Card Girls bar none.

Boxingscene posts all kinds of Skip Bayless-Esque news articles all day long because that's what it's fan base wants to hear. There are only a few writers on the site who can report a story and manage their bias at the same time. Why do spam posters want to censor the conversation ?!?

Here's Bob aka Joe Pesci saying Rigo wants 3 million dollars. If you paid attention to my initial post than you know everybody wants a million dollars. We all know this is the way Bob tries to hose fighters in the negotiations. Hey if he won't agree to fight for pennies Bob will just have Lomanchenko vs Marriaga 2.

Here's Bob throwing more slander at Rigo and Salido.



Now check this out. Now remember when I said that Arum slanders his own fighters. Which is strange since they pay him to promote them not hurt them. Let's look at this article back when Rigondeaux was with Top Rank.
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"Unusually blunt Bob Arum pays a publicist to distribute articles about his fighter Guillermo Rigondeaux that are less than flattering. Fred Sternburg, an independent public relations specialist who works for Arum’s Top Rank Promotions, has been distributing stories on Facebook and Twitter that condemn Rigondeaux as a boring fighter who didn’t help his career much by defeating popular Nonito Donaire."

https://www.*************.com/column...no-detractors/

I just seen a spam poster make a thread saying Rigondeaux is the cause of his own promotional problems. But after reading this. Is he???

[GhostofDempsey]

The problem is you guys don't like fair conversation. I like Pacquiao. I like Lomanchenko. But if one person gets criticized, why not all. That's what unbiased is.

Duck duck duck. Ok.

Lol we can have a discussion about Loma ducking. Loma challenging people to winner takes all matches sounds very macho. Until you remember that nobody's going to accept that as this is a career and their actual job.

What he's really saying is that if you want to fight me you gotta to be willing to do it for near-free. i posted his viewership numbers and he's no yet a superstar. Beating him may give you clout but it ain't going to make you a superstar either.

Oscar Valdez
Miguel Berchelt
Orando Salido
Robert Easter Jr.
Mikey Garcia
Jorge Linares
Terry Flanagan
Jessie Magdalena
Leo Santa Cruz
Abner Mares
Joseph Diaz Jr.
Jezreel Corrales

Arum has been building superstars for decades. Loma will be a superstar in short time. To call Loma a ducker when in ten fights he has already defeated the likes of Gary Russell Jr. and Nicholas Walters is delusional. He took a tough fight against a seasoned vet in Salido in only his second pro fight. Came out on the losing end.

Since then, no one has taken a serious run at him. Rigo didn't want him at 126, Frampton, Santa Cruz, Quigg never mentioned his name either. The coward down in Panama doesn't want any part of him either. And, the biggest duck at 130 has proven to be Gervonta Davis, who refuses to fight Loma. Floyd and Davis insisting that Loma isn't relevant. Or that Davis is too young, yet had a belt before losing it to the scales.

All those fighters you listed haven't been mentioned by Davis either, who has nearly twice as many fights as Loma. They were never called out by Rigo either. Rigo is the king of pricing himself out of fights. His last fight earned him $150K, yet he thinks he is an A-lister.

There is ducking, and then there is knowing what you are worth. A lot of fighters come to the table with an inflated sense of worth.

[whoelsebutjames]

Arum has been building superstars for decades. Loma will be a superstar in short time. To call Loma a ducker when in ten fights he has already defeated the likes of Gary Russell Jr. and Nicholas Walters is delusional. He took a tough fight against a seasoned vet in Salido in only his second pro fight. Came out on the losing end.

Since then, no one has taken a serious run at him. Rigo didn't want him at 126, Frampton, Santa Cruz, Quigg never mentioned his name either. The coward down in Panama doesn't want any part of him either. And, the biggest duck at 130 has proven to be Gervonta Davis, who refuses to fight Loma. Floyd and Davis insisting that Loma isn't relevant. Or that Davis is too young, yet had a belt before losing it to the scales.

All those fighters you listed haven't been mentioned by Davis either, who has nearly twice as many fights as Loma. They were never called out by Rigo either. Rigo is the king of pricing himself out of fights. His last fight earned him $150K, yet he thinks he is an A-lister.

There is ducking, and then there is knowing what you are worth. A lot of fighters come to the table with an inflated sense of worth.

I think Davis is a duck but that's just my own opinion not facts that I can back up-- like this thread.

The rest of the list in my belief would fight him if Top Rank made serious offers- in proportion to his actual worth.

[whoelsebutjames]

Wow finally a video that makes a lot of sense about Arum's corruption

Thanks for actually reading a post thoroughly before responding. Why did you cut off last part of quote. I think it's important.

[maracho]

By Bobs own admission he paid bribes. Lol

He had a moment of weakness. And he forgot about his Harvard Law Degree and serving as an attorney for Robert Kennedy. You know, the former US Attorney General and the most famous president, in recent history's little brother.

Floyd made something out of nothing. Side show Bob started out educated gained prestige and then decided he wanted to talk like a wise guy for a living.

You know this thread is about Floyd and I wonder if Arum paid any bribes for the Castillo fight..lol

Why did you cut off last part of quote. I think it's important.

Unlike yourself I dont like mixing responses so Im waiting for your Hauser thread, which I think would be much more interesting. Everyone already knows that Arum is like the other promoters. Well I guess Dibella is ok

[whoelsebutjames]

Arum has been building superstars for decades. Loma will be a superstar in short time. To call Loma a ducker when in ten fights he has already defeated the likes of Gary Russell Jr. and Nicholas Walters is delusional. He took a tough fight against a seasoned vet in Salido in only his second pro fight. Came out on the losing end.

Since then, no one has taken a serious run at him. Rigo didn't want him at 126, Frampton, Santa Cruz, Quigg never mentioned his name either. The coward down in Panama doesn't want any part of him either. And, the biggest duck at 130 has proven to be Gervonta Davis, who refuses to fight Loma. Floyd and Davis insisting that Loma isn't relevant. Or that Davis is too young, yet had a belt before losing it to the scales.

All those fighters you listed haven't been mentioned by Davis either, who has nearly twice as many fights as Loma. They were never called out by Rigo either. Rigo is the king of pricing himself out of fights. His last fight earned him $150K, yet he thinks he is an A-lister.

There is ducking, and then there is knowing what you are worth. A lot of fighters come to the table with an inflated sense of worth.

Also. You also can't cal it ducking if you've never initiated a negotiation. And technically, Loma isn't worth much either, his television numbers aren't outstanding.

How do you know that Rigo asked an unreasonable sum- because Bob said if? Bob said he wanted 3 million dollars. If you do the math you know that was lie. Loma woukd be lucky to make 3 million dollars. Loma needs Rigo just as much as Rigo needs Loma.

As impressive as it is to challenge for a title in your 2nd professional bout, 4 years later it becomes less impressive. He's 30 years old, not a kid.

Marriaga was coming off a lost to Oscar Valdez and moving up a weight division, this is the same thing you'd criticize Floyd for. See what BOB taught you. Let alone the fact, he already lost to Walters. Hell probably be dropped by Top Rank after being fed to a few more fighters. After all, the fesrhedweights is one of Bobs deeper divisions.

[whoelsebutjames]

You know this thread is about Floyd and I wonder if Arum paid any bribes for the Castillo fight..lol



Unlike yourself I dont like mixing responses so Im waiting for your Hauser thread, which I think would be much more interesting. Everyone already knows that Arum is like the other promoters. Well I guess Dibella is ok

You couldn't help yourself lol amusing. I disagree, givd Arum a lot of undeserved respect.

Arum will be ok. People such as yourself are indifferent. Arum is from the old paradigm, I'm welcoming him to the new paradigm. The Information Age.