Comments Thread For: Golovkin vs. Canelo and a Big-Money Drama Show

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[BoxingIsGreat]

We have our own BigDramaShow here. I'll defer to him!

[Robi13]

Hope both fighters bring out the best in each other! And everyone is safe after the fight, specially fans

[Guy3008]

NO injuries please

[Johnny_Roa]

just hope that even if GGG doesnt knock out Canelo but dominates him, that there's fair judging there.

[Boxing lives]

We have our own BigDramaShow here. I'll defer to him!

You sound like a sick stephen a fuck nigga

[angkag]

I've always liked Canelo, and GGG. Much has been said of GGG's level of opposition, but we know they were generally all MWs (Brook exception) and GGG has knocked them all out except Jacobs, and I suspect that was more to do with Jacobs than GGG.

So took a closer look at Canelo's record for the first time, and kind of ended up with a 'hmmmmm'.

Since 2013:

Trout: A lot of people thought it was close, but I really felt Canelo came into his own in this fight and showed some good skills. Conclusion, good win (imo), but fact was many weren't too convinced. Most had it 1 or 2 pts for Canelo.

Mayweather: Lost, Fair enough, so did everyone else, and ignoring the one dodgy scorecard, Mayweather did it with ease.

2014:
Angulo: Angulo slow as molasses by the time of this fight, easy fight.
Lara: I think I saw a poll of 89 boxing writers where it was even, an equal number scored it for Lara, Canelo, Draw. Whatever, not a clear win for Canelo.

2015:
Kirkland: An impressive win. However, Kirkland coming off 18 months inactivity and also minus Wolfe. So was a really an impressive win vs a top opponent ? Don't think so.

Cotto: Cotto started to be written off in 2012, but was carefully managed to seem better than he was after that (Delvin, a gimp Martinez that anyone would have beaten, and draining Geale to 157). Fair win for Canelo (imo), but Cotto made him work for it even though 3 years after initially being written off and now 35. So was that really so impressive from Canelo ?

2016:
Khan: Khan couldn't hurt him, had a glass jaw, predictable outcome.
Smith: Again, not an elite opponent.
JCC: Just a punching bag at 164.5. Hardly threw anything.

So how elite is Canelo really ? He walks through opponents who aren't on their A game for whatever reason, and struggles with those who are on their A game.

He dominated Chavez while Golovkin had a hard time with Jacobs. Flip that for a second - what would have been the likely outcome if Golovkin had fought Chavez and Canelo fought Jacobs ? Would our perceptions coming into this fight be different.

I wonder if I've been over-estimating just how good Canelo is. Almost all of his performances have that 'yeah but....' after them. You can say the same with Golovkin, but then its 'yeah but he ktfo'ed them, what else could he do ?', ie no prisoners, while Canelo either lost or was taken close by the 3 live opponents he fought, all of whom were under 160 (again, I was a Cotto fan too and after 2012 I knew he wasn't 100% any more, so I never saw him as a live dog).

More doubts. I wonder....

[TheReadyTimeBoy]

I've always liked Canelo, and GGG. Much has been said of GGG's level of opposition, but we know they were generally all MWs (Brook exception) and GGG has knocked them all out except Jacobs, and I suspect that was more to do with Jacobs than GGG.

So took a closer look at Canelo's record for the first time, and kind of ended up with a 'hmmmmm'.

Since 2013:

Trout: A lot of people thought it was close, but I really felt Canelo came into his own in this fight and showed some good skills. Conclusion, good win (imo), but fact was many weren't too convinced. Most had it 1 or 2 pts for Canelo.

Mayweather: Lost, Fair enough, so did everyone else, and ignoring the one dodgy scorecard, Mayweather did it with ease.

2014:
Angulo: Angulo slow as molasses by the time of this fight, easy fight.
Lara: I think I saw a poll of 89 boxing writers where it was even, an equal number scored it for Lara, Canelo, Draw. Whatever, not a clear win for Canelo.

2015:
Kirkland: An impressive win. However, Kirkland coming off 18 months inactivity and also minus Wolfe. So was a really an impressive win vs a top opponent ? Don't think so.

Cotto: Cotto started to be written off in 2012, but was carefully managed to seem better than he was after that (Delvin, a gimp Martinez that anyone would have beaten, and draining Geale to 157). Fair win for Canelo (imo), but Cotto made him work for it even though 3 years after initially being written off and now 35. So was that really so impressive from Canelo ?

2016:
Khan: Khan couldn't hurt him, had a glass jaw, predictable outcome.
Smith: Again, not an elite opponent.
JCC: Just a punching bag at 164.5. Hardly threw anything.

So how elite is Canelo really ? He walks through opponents who aren't on their A game for whatever reason, and struggles with those who are on their A game.

He dominated Chavez while Golovkin had a hard time with Jacobs. Flip that for a second - what would have been the likely outcome if Golovkin had fought Chavez and Canelo fought Jacobs ? Would our perceptions coming into this fight be different.

I wonder if I've been over-estimating just how good Canelo is. Almost all of his performances have that 'yeah but....' after them. You can say the same with Golovkin, but then its 'yeah but he ktfo'ed them, what else could he do ?', ie no prisoners, while Canelo either lost or was taken close by the 3 live opponents he fought, all of whom were under 160 (again, I was a Cotto fan too and after 2012 I knew he wasn't 100% any more, so I never saw him as a live dog).

More doubts. I wonder....

Well said. This fight will be GGGs coronation as king.

He needs to make sure the judges are out of the equation

[TheReadyTimeBoy]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this fight will be way more one sided than most are expecting.

Literally any middleweight is gonna have a tough time with Jacobs. He's over 6" and hits hard as hell with speed and movement. Canelos team miscalculated what that fight meant and they fkd up big time.

[GammaDaFrat]

At first i thought this fight could do maybe 2 million. Even though both couldnt speak english. I figured Oscar would be able to do all the talking for them.

But his bitterness over MayMac has turned alot of ppl off and every interview he does he talks about that and not this fight.

Luckily he has sites like Boxingscene and other paid twitter journalist to **** the drum every day. But with that terrible Canelo vs Chavez fight, theyll be lucky to get 1.25. But hopefully its still a good fight as promise. They also said Canelo n Chavez was a cant miss all action old school Mexican fight and we see what happen with that.