Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua and Terence Crawford: Sanctioned Champions

[Shadoww702]

It was the IBF who stripped Fury. It happened because Glazkov's promoter, Kathy Duva, refused to negotiate and asked for an immediate purse bid, which Fury couldn't do because of his rematch clause with Wlad.

Lipinets promoter also refused to negotiate and called for an immediate purse bid. I don't know if that was why Crawford vacated, maybe he had already decided to move up to 147.

Still 10 days??? Most these guys aren't even healed yet.... that's a sht belt.

[Shadoww702]

It was the IBF who stripped Fury. It happened because Glazkov's promoter, Kathy Duva, refused to negotiate and asked for an immediate purse bid, which Fury couldn't do because of his rematch clause with Wlad.

Lipinets promoter also refused to negotiate and called for an immediate purse bid. I don't know if that was why Crawford vacated, maybe he had already decided to move up to 147.

Kathy Duva needs to be banned fro ever doing bids again. Last time she asked for one she canceledbat the very last minute and didn't even show up. Wasted a LOT of ppls time and $$$$

[kafkod]

Kathy Duva needs to be banned fro ever doing bids again. Last time she asked for one she canceledbat the very last minute and didn't even show up. Wasted a LOT of ppls time and $$$$

If you are talking about Kovalev vs Stevenson, Duva never asked for the purse bid.

She asked for Kovalev to be made mandatory for the WBC title then tried to negotiate. It was Stevenson's promoter who asked for an immediate purse bid and forced Kovalev to withdraw.

Duva isn't too bright. She probably never knew a promoter could refuse to negotiate and force a bid on a mando till Gym/Haymon showed her how it's done. She remembered and pulled the same sly trick on Fury.

[Shadoww702]

If you are talking about Kovalev vs Stevenson, Duva never asked for the purse bid.

She asked for Kovalev to be made mandatory for the WBC title then tried to negotiate. It was Stevenson's promoter who asked for an immediate purse bid and forced Kovalev to withdraw.

Duva isn't too bright. She probably never knew a promoter could refuse to negotiate and force a bid on a mando till Gym/Haymon showed her how it's done. She remembered and pulled the same sly trick on Fury.

Yeah not too bright! She asked for it and was told to negotiate or it would go to bid... Must of forgot about that part??? She also dropped it like days before the bid was suppose to take place. Again wasting everyone's time.

Too bad though. Kovalov would of probably made more money then the fight with Ward.


Does anyone even ha've a guess how much Kovalov walked away in the 2nd fight?? I wonder if he ended up owing money after paying everyone.

[Sledgeweather17]

The WBC having Stiverne as the Mandatory is FKN TERRIBLE. No one wants to see a rematch of that lop sided beatdown Wilder put on him. No networks, fan, no one but the WBC.

Stiverne has only 1 win after Wilder and that was against Derrick Rossy almost TWO years ago....

Don't blame the wbc man. The only reason we're in this position is because of Pedvetkin.

Pedvetkin was gonna be the mandatory but tested positve and couldn't fight Wilder as a result.

Then the wbc gave him another chance by sanctioning an eliminator with Stirvirne, but what did Pedvetkin do?

Tested positive again!

Yawl blaming the wrong person here. This is all Pedvetkin's fault.

[Sledgeweather17]

Am I just being dense? Lipinets was IBF mando and is entitled to his title shot isn't he? Why should they give Crawford special rights to bypass his mando - surely that removes any credibility they do have. In my mind pretty much the only useful purpose the sanctioning orgs serve is periodically making champions face their mandatories, thus allowing new talent the opportunities at success rather than allowing champions to simply choose every fight to maximise reward whilst keeping the risks as slim as possible. What is the point of the sanctioning orgs if they don't make guys defend their strap?

You do have a point. That's why lawmakers usually put exception clauses when they make rules because they understand that sometimes you can run into a situation that requires that an exception be made to the rules.

For instance the Fury situation, a lot of people felt that the IBF could have given Fury a one fight exception so that he can rematch Wlad.

But then later we found out that they actually do have such a clause when Joshua was in the exact same position with Wlad. However the fighter is supposed to APPLY for the exception and Fury didn't, so you actually can't blame the IBF for Fury's failure to excercise his rights.

No I feel like the IBF is getting too much stick, because remember that the Lipinets mandatory was already due on Indongo, Indongo applied for an exemption and they gave it to him so that he can unify with Crawford.

So Crawford came into that bout already knowing that the IBF mandatory is due, which means that Crawford should have had the foresight to strike a deal to fight Lipinets at a date that is not too far away from his fight with Indongo. I dunno if he should have negotiated with Lipinets or the IBF but common sense dictates that he should have contacted someone about this before it got to this.

Also, from what I understand Crawford wasn't STRIPPED but rather VACATED the belt. So maybe he never had any intention to fight Lipinets in the first place? Again why are we so quick to blame the sanctioning bodies and not hold these fighters responsible for their own actions?

Lipinets is probably happy with this result thought. What I picked up from his comments and behaviour throughout this whole thing was that he wasn't actually trying to take the belt from a champion, he seemed to be trying to get someone stripped from the get go. That is the impression I had of him, but I can't exempt Crawford either because what is the reason for vacating the title exactly?

It doesn't seem like Crawford should have a reason to duck anyone but what else can you call this other than a duck?

[Shadoww702]

Don't blame the wbc man. The only reason we're in this position is because of Pedvetkin.

Pedvetkin was gonna be the mandatory but tested positve and couldn't fight Wilder as a result.

Then the wbc gave him another chance by sanctioning an eliminator with Stirvirne, but what did Pedvetkin do?

Tested positive again!

Yawl blaming the wrong person here. This is all Pedvetkin's fault.

I blame the WBC. And like you said they gave PEDvetkin chance after chance to keep making them ******...

[bobd9842]

It was the IBF who stripped Fury. It happened because Glazkov's promoter, Kathy Duva, refused to negotiate and asked for an immediate purse bid, which Fury couldn't do because of his rematch clause with Wlad.

Lipinets promoter also refused to negotiate and called for an immediate purse bid. I don't know if that was why Crawford vacated, maybe he had already decided to move up to 147.

No...you got it right. Lipinets team wanted nothing to do with Crawford so they avoided him for a 2nd time and demanded a purse bid, not giving Bud enough time to even catch his breath after his last fight. They knew he would move up after they made their move.

[H.B.Viper]

Beg to differ.
How can Bud be the lineal when he never faced the best in the division.
We won sectioned belts but never defined those titles against the following:
Regis Progais
Omar Figueroa
Maurico Herrea
Mikey Garcia
Imir Imam
Adrian Grandados
Adrian Broner.
Those are names worthy of a title defense, would you agree?