Comments Thread For: Austin Trout Files $40 Million Lawsuit Against The WBO

[Motorcity Cobra]

We're very glad that you posted the above. It is a perfect example of the flaws of your analysis. Your "proof" of Arum's private secret intentions is a public statement.

Promoters lie. Arum's job is to be a professional liar. If you choose to take his public interviews at face value, that is your choice. But this discussion is a waste of time. Al Haymon doesn't give interviews and Arum knows how to play the media like a fiddle. So if what you're interested in is for either of them to publicly spell out their plans years in advance, it's not going to happen. Believe whatever you desire.




Because Haymon has eyes and ears everywhere and when Arum's stepson was searching for VC, the business plan ended up in enough hands that Haymon had a pretty good idea of what Arum was up to.

You really are a nutcase. Next you'll claim Haymon hacked the WBO computers and removed Trout.

The article I posted was talking about what happened in 2016. Trout filed suit in 2015. So now Haymon went into the a future and found out about Top Rank plans. Went back to the present & hacked the WBO computers to remove Trout from the rankings. Made Trout sue the WBO.

Do you believe the earth is flat?

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You really are a nutcase. Next you'll claim Haymon hacked the WBO computers and removed Trout.

The article I posted was talking about what happened in 2016. Trout filed suit in 2015. So now Haymon went into the a future and found out about Top Rank plans. Went back to the present & hacked the WBO computers to remove Trout from the rankings. Made Trout sue the WBO.

Do you believe the earth is flat?

Straw man argument.

Nobody said anything about hacking.

Trout filed suit 4-5 months after Arum filed suit. Haymon saw an opportunity to potentially derail Arum's business by bankrupting the WBO.

If you don't know how the game is played, we've done all we can to help you. If you're just going to make up things nobody said and hide behind straw man arguments, there's nothing to discuss.

Good luck!

[Motorcity Cobra]

Straw man argument.

Nobody said anything about hacking.

Trout filed suit 4-5 months after Arum filed suit. Haymon saw an opportunity to potentially derail Arum's business by bankrupting the WBO.

If you don't know how the game is played, we've done all we can to help you. If you're just going to make up things nobody said and hide behind straw man arguments, there's nothing to discuss.

Good luck!

No. Trout was wronged by the WBO & he filed suit. You expect him not to sue after missing out on a title shot and potentially millions? If this happened to a non Haymon fighter they'd do the same thing. If this happened with another organization Trout would do the same thing. There is precedence of these type of lawsuits happening as the article states. The WBC was almost bankrupted for doing the same thing. Trout is wronged & sees the opportunity to sue & make millions he's not thinking about what Arum is doing. You're making up things in your head. First you tried to connecy it to Arum's ESPN deal until I destroyed your timeline of events. Then you went m with Haymon knew Arum would work out a deal with ESPN a year and a half later. Now you're saying Trout is only suing to spite Arum by destroying the WBO. What you still haven't told me, and I've asked several times. Other than suing what options did Trout have for redress of his grievances? He had no choice but to sue

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

WBO is PR based, correct?

Then you have this:

The case will be dealt with by federal judge Pedro Delgado.

Trout isn't gonna get ****.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Wonder what would happen if there were no more sanctioning organizations?

What fans need to understand is that sanctioning organizations exist because promoters want them to exist. Promoters could create their own championships, but instead they hire sanctioning bodies to create the illusion of independence. The sanctioning bodies provide a service to the promoters. A service the promoters desire and choose to hire them to provide.

If there were no more sanctioning bodies, you would simply have a Top Rank champion, a PBC champion, an HBO champion, an Eddie Hearn champion, a Frank Warren champion, a Teiken champion, a GYM champion, etc in every division.

If it wasn't for the sanctioning bodies, there would be WAYYYYYY more than four "world" champions in each division.

Yes I know, and you bring forth a good point. I was just asking an 'in a perfect world' question as far as a non-profit central sanctioning body.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Wonder what would happen if there were no more sanctioning organizations? Maybe have a basic central rating organization, non-profit, with no ties to anyone. All pro fighters would put in a small portion of their purse to fund the non-profit. All fighters would be paid by ticket sales etc.

Doubt it would work though. Too much money for the sanctioning organizations to make as it is now, more belts, and collecting fees for nothing other than giving an easy life to the heads of the organizations. IOW a scam too huge to eliminate. But something like that needs to happen.

Man idk how you'd get people to pay attention to a "legit" title group if the current 4 got sued out of existence by people they've f#cked over. I think you could invent abc groups til infinity. There has gotta be some way one could cut through all the layers of bs & say "this belt" matters & these others don't. But idk what it'd be exactly cuz the Ring & the mythical lineal title have a bigger feeling to those claims, but generally they've never gotten mass appeal even with the f#ckery the abc groups have pulled for decades now.

Interesting topic doe & I'd be curious of other peoples opinions on how you could legit rid boxing of corrupt abc groups & put one entity in power of defining who the champion is & who the top ten fighters are.

Yep. I'd guess this will always be the 'what if' question in this sport.

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Yes I know, and you bring forth a good point. I was just asking an 'in a perfect world' question as far as a non-profit central sanctioning body.

That's how the WBC was created. All the countries around the world joined together to create a non-profit central sanctioning body.

The problem was that the United States could never agree on a champion. The New York commission title was the most prestigious, but the commissions of several other states formed the NBA (which became the WBA). The New York title was merged with the WBC title, but the other US states continued separately from the rest of the world.

That is why we had two titles. The smaller US states weren't willing to join New York and the rest of the world.

Now we have four titles because the WBA split off into three groups (WBA, IBF and WBO).

But what you're suggesting is what the WBC has always been.

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No. Trout was wronged by the WBO & he filed suit. You expect him not to sue after missing out on a title shot and potentially millions?

You have such a lack of understanding of how business works and trying to explain it to you is like trying to explain calculus to a gold fish. A waste of time. We tried. We wish you well.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

WBO is PR based, correct?

Then you have this:


Trout isn't gonna get ****.

Naw if hes Mexican, PR aint getting no favortism.

[Motorcity Cobra]

You have such a lack of understanding of how business works and trying to explain it to you is like trying to explain calculus to a gold fish. A waste of time. We tried. We wish you well.

You have a lack of understanding how life works. You're putting out a conspiracy theory. You have no facts to back up anything you're claiming. It's all just a conspiracy theory you made up. You couldn't even get your dates straight at first. You also claimed another conspiracy that promoters would make their own belts if there were not sanctioning orgs. As Pandas had to point out to you, that's illegal. You're just talking and ranting about things you're making up in your head.

On the other hand I have facts to back up everything I'm claiming which is the WBO screwed Trout. And Trout is suing for damages. It's as simple as that. Nothing more. Nothing less.