Conor gassed out due to his poor conditioning/not ready for 12 rounder

[harry-greb]

i really don't think you guys have a firm grasp of what conditioning is.


mcgregor verly clearly murders himself to fight at 154 or 155 lbs. you understand that he literally can't train any harder, right? the wall he hit would have come sooner and been worse if he'd trained any harder, or for more weeks.

eventually you'll start going backwards. it's called being overtrained. you start to get little nagging injuries and they don't heal. you wake up tired and you don't get your strength back when you rest. your T levels and O2 production will actually go down if you train any harder.


connor was in great shape for a dude making a debut. his problem is that he was making his debut and he'd never boxed four rounds before as a pro, nevermind 12. you can't take a break in there without knowing how to do it, when you need to do it, and how to coast and box when you're tired.

in MMA you can get a really solid breather on the ground, on the fence if you know what you're doing. if you need to "use the ring" in the octogon you have about twice as much surface area to move around in, and no corners, just a fence with a very obtuse angle that makes it easy to pivot off of the ropes / "cage" and get to the middle of the ring.

I agree with some of what you say, but he gassed in both Diaz fights and they were both fought at 170.
He's admitted it himself that he struggles mid way through fights.
I just think his engine is not that great compared to other fighters. All the cardio in the world wouldn't change that. According to Paulie he struggled in the middle rounds of their sparring.
He did very well for a novice. Certainly didn't disgrace himself

[Spoon23]

i really don't think you guys have a firm grasp of what conditioning is.


mcgregor verly clearly murders himself to fight at 154 or 155 lbs. you understand that he literally can't train any harder, right? the wall he hit would have come sooner and been worse if he'd trained any harder, or for more weeks.

Building stamina to a certain sport takes time. Preparing for a triathlon takes time to condition an athlete.


Different sports have different needs and different disciplines. MMA is different from boxing. And Connor going to the realm of boxing in a short period of time was his demise. Like I said he wasn't ready for a 12 rounder. Stamina and endurance is build through time and experience.

That said, we all know coming into the fight, Conor had no chance against a seasoned vet like Floyd.

But like I said, he did more than most boxing fans expected of him. He was in there with the best boxing had to offer. He held his own and has a strong argument he won 4 straight rounds. I don't think Floyd mayweather wanted that to happen lol

Conor, made that happen. He had the jab to keep Floyd honest.
He was a rangy fighter.

What Conor was lacking was stamina to compete in a 12 rounder. What is finally proved is the technique and conditioning levels you get to when learning to box for 14 - 15 years before turning pro. We don't need to compare MMA to boxing (as it is different, tough and rougher in its own way) but what we saw is the evolution of boxing punching /conditioning is levels above the necessarily compromised artform called MMA.


Like I said my thread has brought out that Conor wasn't ready for a 12 rounder. he just ran out of gas. All Floyd had to do is pick him appart as Conor was running on fumes.

Did Floyd do that to Conor? NO, COnor did that to himself. Conor was landing more shots than Floyd going into the mid rounds. Floyd only lstarted landing significant punches although few, in the mid rounds, not enough to hurt Conor. What hurt Conor was his own fatigue, he couldn't go on, lack of conditioning. Floyd smelled blood, and that was the end.

Conor's own thoughts of what happened.

Starts @ 1:00 Conor: 'It was just fatigue'


@ 2:48 Conor: 'It's an adjustment to go 12 rounds. You know what I mean from changing from 5 to 12 rounders. 5 rounds to 12 is a lot so whatever'

[Zaryu]

Lol, poor ts is in denial... If, if, if the queen had balls she'd be the king! Floyd didn't even spar for a month before the fight, didn't bother being defensive, walked down a much larger man/puncher lol, made him run and hold until he was stumbling along the ring about to be KTFO.

Also, Connor Sparred paulie for 12 rds almost a month in advance. It wasn't a lack of conditioning, he was walked down by the superior boxer, end of story.

[Spoon23]

Lol, poor ts is in denial... If, if, if the queen had balls she'd be the king! Floyd didn't even spar for a month before the fight, didn't bother being defensive, walked down a much larger man/puncher lol, made him run and hold until he was stumbling along the ring about to be KTFO.

Also, Connor Sparred paulie for 12 rds almost a month in advance. It wasn't a lack of conditioning, he was walked down by the superior boxer, end of story.

lol sparring can't cover years of boxing experience to develop stamina.

What Conor was lacking was stamina to compete in a 12 rounder. What is finally proved is the technique and conditioning levels you get to when learning to box for 14 - 15 years before turning pro. Condition to a chosen sport is built through time and experience. In MMA Conor was already gassing out what more in boxing a sport he is still acclimatizing from. It's a no brainer he would burn out. As he did. Conor was in no business to be in a 12 round fight.


Conor's own thoughts of what happened.

Starts @ 1:00 Conor: 'It was just fatigue'


@ 2:48 Conor: 'It's an adjustment to go 12 rounds. You know what I mean from changing from 5 to 12 rounders. 5 rounds to 12 is a lot so whatever'

[Redd Foxx]

He was in there with the best boxing had to offer.

Lol, a guy who is two years retired and undersized is the best boxing has to offer?
And, you you cling on to these "if's". 'If' the terms were different, Floyd would have fought differently too. Why do people have to create scenarios like yours too comfort themselves? Connor is a shyt boxer who only knows how to foul. Embrace reality.

[BoxingTrav]

lol sparring can't cover years of boxing experience to develop stamina.

What Conor was lacking was stamina to compete in a 12 rounder. What is finally proved is the technique and conditioning levels you get to when learning to box for 14 - 15 years before turning pro. Condition to a chosen sport is built through time and experience. In MMA Conor was already gassing out what more in boxing a sport he is still acclimatizing from. It's a no brainer he would burn out. As he did. Conor was in no business to be in a 12 round fight.


Conor's own thoughts of what happened.

Starts @ 1:00 Conor: 'It was just fatigue'


@ 2:48 Conor: 'It's an adjustment to go 12 rounds. You know what I mean from changing from 5 to 12 rounders. 5 rounds to 12 is a lot so whatever'

The competitors gave us a their predictions of how the fight would go. One was right and one was wrong. Since you are the video guy around here please post videos of their predictions.

[soul_survivor]

I'm sure it must have been hard for you to deal with Floyd getting #50

Why do you think it would have been hard for me? I predicted him to win, by stoppage no less. If I was a degenerate I would have bet on it and made a nice stash...

[anonymous2.0]

You repeated yourself over and over in this post - as if you're trying to convince yourself of what you're saying.

You'll fade, this topic will fade, and we can all move on.

Deal.

Oh boy, you don't know Spoony. Ever since May-Pac 2015 Spoony's been literally keeping the May-Pac general thread alive by post nearly every single day and that is not an exaggeration.

[Zaryu]

lol sparring can't cover years of boxing experience to develop stamina.

What Conor was lacking was stamina to compete in a 12 rounder. What is finally proved is the technique and conditioning levels you get to when learning to box for 14 - 15 years before turning pro. Condition to a chosen sport is built through time and experience. In MMA Conor was already gassing out what more in boxing a sport he is still acclimatizing from. It's a no brainer he would burn out. As he did. Conor was in no business to be in a 12 round fight.


Conor's own thoughts of what happened.

Starts @ 1:00 Conor: 'It was just fatigue'


@ 2:48 Conor: 'It's an adjustment to go 12 rounds. You know what I mean from changing from 5 to 12 rounders. 5 rounds to 12 is a lot so whatever'

Everybody, except the Connor nut huggers knew this. Now we hear excuses... My point is it wasn't just the conditioning, like I said he had been training for months and had done 12 rds about a month in advance, but Mayweather made him gas even faster.

He was fatigued because there was too much going on physically and mentally for him to handle. Conditioning is conditioning, It's the other factors, nerves, thinking more during the fight than in training, getting hit cleaner, moving more than originally planned, etc that make a difference between a conditioned experienced boxer vs a rookie.

[Spoon23]

Everybody, except the Connor nut huggers knew this. Now we hear excuses... My point is it wasn't just the conditioning, like I said he had been training for months and had done 12 rds about a month in advance, but Mayweather made him gas even faster.

He was fatigued because there was too much going on physically and mentally for him to handle. Conditioning is conditioning, It's the other factors, nerves, thinking more during the fight than in training, getting hit cleaner, moving more than originally planned, etc that make a difference between a conditioned experienced boxer vs a rookie.

Exactly! A lot was going on from a rookie stand point. A lot to take in such a short notice. Conditioning and mental preparation take years to hone in a given sport. Conor only had a few months to prepare. Obviously Fatigue took a hit on him. A rookie mistake, but very forgivable given it was his debut fight.