Jeff Mayweather "I put Spence over Lomachenko. Loma hasn't done much."

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  • Raggamuffin
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    #41
    Originally posted by Boxing Goat
    The P4P is based on ability relative to others in or around their weight classes and not just the resume. It's hypothetical really but for a long, long time now it's mattered.
    I have never ranked fighters pfp based on potential. Wins and losses count under pressure. PFP is opinion, not fact, but how can you rank a guy #1 and he lost? Resume does count because the better the comp, the higher ranking. Displaying skills in big fights is why fighters get ranked pfp, not potential.

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    • Raggamuffin
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      #42
      Originally posted by Sheldon312
      Kell Brook> Anyone on Crawford's resume. But I bet you disagree since you have a tendency to rank fighters with weak resumes over other fighter who actually have a few quality wins.
      Kell Brook? Mansitchurdumbassdown in my Martin voice, lmfao.

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      • Scipio2009
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        #43
        Originally posted by Boxing Goat
        Are you blind or something? He got his orbital broken and was about to get rendered retired had his corner not stepped in during rd. 5 to save him. I would say that's a pretty bad knockout.
        Kell Brook was on his feet, still returning fire, but his vision had already gone and his corner saved him.

        Golovkin wasn't laying a beating on him, the action wasn't all just one way, and it's not like Golovkin walked away without any marks of having been in a fight.

        This wasn't Gatti-Mayweather, this wasn't Fonfara-Smith, heck this wasn't even Lomachenko-Walters.

        Brook picked up a serious eye injury, in a fight that was still being fought on 50/50 terms. lol

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          #44
          Originally posted by Boxfan83
          If Loma were the Size of Jeff Horn, I think Loma vs Spence would be 1 hell of a fight at WW. Styles make fights and Spences Body work would be trouble for Loma but Loma would set his jab up very nice on Spence.
          Lomachenko has the same issues that Usyk will have, imo; so much of his offense relies on the opponent putting themselves out of position by following one of the bait shots that you'd nullify most of the work by simply keeping to the fundamentals.

          Errol Spence Jr's full potential is still to be known, but he's emerging as a southpaw cross of Ray Leonard and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

          Even if they did manage to magically be the same size, I don't know if Lomachenko has an answer if Spence would resign himself to not falling for the bait and simply kept that pressure coming.

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          • Boxing Goat
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            #45
            Originally posted by Raggamuffin
            I have never ranked fighters pfp based on potential. Wins and losses count under pressure. PFP is opinion, not fact, but how can you rank a guy #1 and he lost? Resume does count because the better the comp, the higher ranking. Displaying skills in big fights is why fighters get ranked pfp, not potential.
            I don't rank Loma P4P no.1 but I think the consensus if that He lost in only his 2nd fight to a very veteran guy who came in over weight and cheated. Also in addition to that, he barely lost and almost scored a late stoppage against him.

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            • Mr. 29K
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              #46
              I agree. Spence >> Lomaroidko

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                #47
                Originally posted by Raggamuffin
                Kell Brook? Mansitchurdumbassdown in my Martin voice, lmfao.
                Who on Crawford's resume is better than Kell Brook? I'm waiting.

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                • Boxing Goat
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Scipio2009
                  Kell Brook was on his feet, still returning fire, but his vision had already gone and his corner saved him.

                  Golovkin wasn't laying a beating on him, the action wasn't all just one way, and it's not like Golovkin walked away without any marks of having been in a fight.

                  This wasn't Gatti-Mayweather, this wasn't Fonfara-Smith, heck this wasn't even Lomachenko-Walters.

                  Brook picked up a serious eye injury, in a fight that was still being fought on 50/50 terms. lol
                  At the end, yes the action was a one way beating. You need to go back and look at it again if you disagree. GGG was on his way to rendering him unconscious very shortly.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Scipio2009
                    Lomachenko has the same issues that Usyk will have, imo; so much of his offense relies on the opponent putting themselves out of position by following one of the bait shots that you'd nullify most of the work by simply keeping to the fundamentals.

                    Errol Spence Jr's full potential is still to be known, but he's emerging as a southpaw cross of Ray Leonard and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

                    Even if they did manage to magically be the same size, I don't know if Lomachenko has an answer if Spence would resign himself to not falling for the bait and simply kept that pressure coming.
                    I disagree with this. Loma would have faster hands, better footwork, and he is much better at creating angles. I don't think he would be ****** enough to let Spence cut the ring off on him. Now, if Crawford was the same size as Spence I would still favor Spence due to the fact that Crawford wouldn't be able to handle that type of pressure. It would be like Brook but quicker.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by TainoGodCanelo
                      I agree. Spence >> Lomaroidko
                      Basic common sense >> TainoGodCanelo

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