Comments Thread For: 30 Day Weight: Gennady Golovkin Comes in at 170-Pounds

[PunchyPotorff]

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Good to see he's on target, but heavier than normal may mean he's ready for SMW finally.

And BTW, has anyone ever seen a fighter post images of themselves, with a newspaper, to prove their 30 day weight? I don't recall any before this one.

Then Brook was ready for LHW when he weighed 176 for the 30 days weigh in right? Same for Jacobs when he weighed 174.8...

I don't know about that. Those are 2 entirely different situations. Maybe Jacobs could so SMW, but Brook is likely best at the division he's in now, or possibly one division up. But that would be about it. As for the subject at hand, there isn't much left in MW after Canelo and Saunders, so maybe GGG may want to consider SMW before retiring.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Good to see he's on target, but heavier than normal may mean he's ready for SMW finally.

And BTW, has anyone ever seen a fighter post images of themselves, with a newspaper, to prove their 30 day weight? I don't recall any before this one.

He was already at 172 30 day weigh in and several 170lbs weigh ins, and that was a few years ago...

We'll see how this one vs Canelo goes. IMO he needs to move up to SMW after that fight and the Saunders one. No one left in MW to fight then.

[_Maxi]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Good to see he's on target, but heavier than normal may mean he's ready for SMW finally.

And BTW, has anyone ever seen a fighter post images of themselves, with a newspaper, to prove their 30 day weight? I don't recall any before this one.



I don't know about that. Those are 2 entirely different situations. Maybe Jacobs could so SMW, but Brook is likely best at the division he's in now, or possibly one division up. But that would be about it. As for the subject at hand, there isn't much left in MW after Canelo and Saunders, so maybe GGG may want to consider SMW before retiring.

Ok that's a different reasoning from what you had said...

But what is at 168? who? no meaningful fights.

He has better fights at 160. Canelo rematch, Jacobs rematch, Charlo, Saunders.

I rather see him fighting the best at his division.

[Mooshashi]

You don't get chubby eating Kazazh stuffed horse colon.....GGG must be mistaking chimichangas for the horsey stuff.

[aboutfkntime]

Well we will never know because Ward was never close enough in weight to make it realistic. This whole debate is actually is actually 2 debates. Who do you think would win in a fight between GGG and Ward and whether or not you think Ward was serious about fighting GGG.

The first part is easy. You guys are the only ones who are arguing whether or not Ward would beat GGG. In all the arguments I had with about***intime I never made the other argument. I do think Ward would win. Controversies aside seeing how well he fought against Sergei Kovalev (a bigger fighter than GGG) should make clear to anyone that Ward SHOULD be the favorite in a hypothetical match up with GGG.

Its the second part that I am debating. I don't think Ward ever seriously made an effort to get that fight but not because I think he's afraid. No I don't think it was ever a serious option in his mind because he was having trouble making 168 and the inactivity caused by his issues with his former promoter kept him from being active which made it even hard to make 168. Ward hadn't made 168 since 2013 and didn't fight again for another year and a half due to problems with his promoter. 19 months after the Rodriguez fight he managed to make it back into the ring and he had to kill himself to get to 172. All his subsequent fights were at 175 and now he's making noise about moving up to cruiserweight. Meanwhile, 30 days out from his next fight GGG only needs to drop 10 pounds to make 160.

So all this b*ll**** he talked about fighting GGG at 168 is nonsense. He was inactive and hadn't shown he could make the weight whereas GGG never seemed to have problems making 160. Ward was talking bull***** he never had to back up knowing he probably couldn't make the weight. But why? Because at the time GGG's name was on the rise. He was HBO's newest golden goose. By talking the bull***** he talked Ward was able attach himself to GGG's hype train to maintain some semblance of relevancy without ever having to do the work necessary to back it up. It was a smart business move.

I will say that you are just another fanboy clown, and leave it there

in June 2015, Ward approached lil'G in order to fight him NEXT



"It’s possible to think of better unmade fights right now than Andre Ward vs Gennady Golovkin, but the list only goes a couple fingers, tops. The two have danced around each other for the last couple years, each side accusing the other of not really wanting to lambada. But at this precise moment, it’s easy to pinpoint the perpetrator.

This month Golovkin’s team made explicit that they want the fight at 164 lbs. with a 50-50 purse split. The split is perfectly reasonable, and only has gotten more reasonable over time; there was a period when the idea of Andre Ward vs Gennady Golovkin at 50-50 was goofy given how much better ratings and how much larger crowds Ward (above left) was drawing, but Golovkin (above right) has caught up pretty well on those metrics by staying busy, looking impressive and becoming a fan favorite.

The 164-pound thing? Ludicrous. Golovkin, as we’ve said here a million times, is under no obligation to move up from middleweight. But he has indicated a willingness to fight Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. at the full super middleweight limit. As a source (apparently one on Ward’s side) told BoxingScene:

“Ward wants to fight Golovkin and he wants to fight him next. But it won’t happen at 164-pounds. By accepting 168 with Carl Froch and Chavez Jr, but then demanding 164 with Ward – it’s their way of saying ‘we don’t want to fight Andre Ward.”

There’s really no other explanation other than a version of that one. Ward has said repeatedly he couldn’t get below 168 if he tried, and his last fight was at 172. With Golovkin’s side saying they’ll only take the fight at 164, they’re either trying to make it look like they want the fight at all, knowing it won’t happen at that number; or they’re saying they’re only willing to fight Ward if he cripples himself.

And yes, you can point fingers at Ward about being guilty of this kind of thing for the Chad Dawson fight. The situation was slightly different there because Dawson, the light heavyweight champion, volunteered that he’d be willing to fight at 168, but given the catchweight Ward has taken some abuse for what was otherwise a win over a top fighter, and it’s not undeserved.

The other major difference, though, is that Golovkin is a fan favorite where Ward is a more divisive figure, so he probably won’t catch as much hell. As a fan of both Golovkin and Ward, I’d rather neither of them sought any catchweights, or that anyone else did, even when they’re more fair or reasonable than what Golovkin is requesting. This is just my reminder to all the boxing people out there that when it comes to advantage-hunting and trying to weaken opponents and trying to force the blame for a fight not happening, some fighters play a bit dirtier than others, but almost everyone is playing the same game, no matter how much their reputation is as a fearless warrior."

http://thecomeback.com/queensberryru...ht-divide.html



dude, you clowns are a dime-a-dozen

[yankees7448]

I will say that you are just another fanboy clown, and leave it there

in June 2015, Ward approached lil'G in order to fight him NEXT



"It’s possible to think of better unmade fights right now than Andre Ward vs Gennady Golovkin, but the list only goes a couple fingers, tops. The two have danced around each other for the last couple years, each side accusing the other of not really wanting to lambada. But at this precise moment, it’s easy to pinpoint the perpetrator.

This month Golovkin’s team made explicit that they want the fight at 164 lbs. with a 50-50 purse split. The split is perfectly reasonable, and only has gotten more reasonable over time; there was a period when the idea of Andre Ward vs Gennady Golovkin at 50-50 was goofy given how much better ratings and how much larger crowds Ward (above left) was drawing, but Golovkin (above right) has caught up pretty well on those metrics by staying busy, looking impressive and becoming a fan favorite.

The 164-pound thing? Ludicrous. Golovkin, as we’ve said here a million times, is under no obligation to move up from middleweight. But he has indicated a willingness to fight Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. at the full super middleweight limit. As a source (apparently one on Ward’s side) told BoxingScene:

“Ward wants to fight Golovkin and he wants to fight him next. But it won’t happen at 164-pounds. By accepting 168 with Carl Froch and Chavez Jr, but then demanding 164 with Ward – it’s their way of saying ‘we don’t want to fight Andre Ward.”

There’s really no other explanation other than a version of that one. Ward has said repeatedly he couldn’t get below 168 if he tried, and his last fight was at 172. With Golovkin’s side saying they’ll only take the fight at 164, they’re either trying to make it look like they want the fight at all, knowing it won’t happen at that number; or they’re saying they’re only willing to fight Ward if he cripples himself.

And yes, you can point fingers at Ward about being guilty of this kind of thing for the Chad Dawson fight. The situation was slightly different there because Dawson, the light heavyweight champion, volunteered that he’d be willing to fight at 168, but given the catchweight Ward has taken some abuse for what was otherwise a win over a top fighter, and it’s not undeserved.

The other major difference, though, is that Golovkin is a fan favorite where Ward is a more divisive figure, so he probably won’t catch as much hell. As a fan of both Golovkin and Ward, I’d rather neither of them sought any catchweights, or that anyone else did, even when they’re more fair or reasonable than what Golovkin is requesting. This is just my reminder to all the boxing people out there that when it comes to advantage-hunting and trying to weaken opponents and trying to force the blame for a fight not happening, some fighters play a bit dirtier than others, but almost everyone is playing the same game, no matter how much their reputation is as a fearless warrior."

http://thecomeback.com/queensberryru...ht-divide.html



dude, you clowns are a dime-a-dozen

You're so full of crap I can smell you through my PC monitor. Your so called damning evidence backs up my claim. This a$$hole doesn't even read the articles who uses to do his arguing for him.

Look back at the article you copy and pasted. You bolded very specific portions of the article that made GGG's side look bad. But you somehow managed to miss the part of the article that makes any sensible person question the seriousness of Ward's negotiations. Here is the part you seem to have missed in the 5th paragraph.
There’s really no other explanation other than a version of that one. Ward has said repeatedly he couldn’t get below 168 if he tried, and his last fight was at 172.

Let me repeat that just in case you missed it for the millionth time.

WARD HAS SAID REPEATEDLY THAT HE COULDN'T GET BELOW 168 IF HE TRIED. Are you ****ing kidding me? You're giving GGG ***** for supposedly demanding the fight take place at 164 instead of 168 because you think he clearly didn't want the fight. Meanwhile Andre Ward, the guy who supposedly pushed for the fight admits that it would be impossible for him to make 168. So how the **** was he negotiating in good faith.

So come on you clown. Explain how much Ward wanted the fight if he admits he couldn't possibly make 168. Was GGG supposed to jump up to light heavyweight for the fight?

[yankees7448]

Logic trumps dumba$$ opinions any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Good to see he's on target, but heavier than normal may mean he's ready for SMW finally.

And BTW, has anyone ever seen a fighter post images of themselves, with a newspaper, to prove their 30 day weight? I don't recall any before this one.



I don't know about that. Those are 2 entirely different situations. Maybe Jacobs could do SMW, but Brook is likely best at the division he's in now, or possibly one division up. But that would be about it. As for the subject at hand, there isn't much left in MW after Canelo and Saunders, so maybe GGG may want to consider SMW before retiring.

Ok that's a different reasoning from what you had said...

But what is at 168? who? no meaningful fights.

He has better fights at 160. Canelo rematch, Jacobs rematch, Charlo, Saunders.

I rather see him fighting the best at his division.

I didn't say anything different than what I first said. If anything, I just expanded on it in response to your comments. I'll still stick with initial thoughts, IMO go to SMW and see what happens... where he'd likely have less advantage in punching power. And there are some decent SMWs currently. Jack and DeGale are good. Groves or Abraham would be a good way for GGG to start out in the division, and get a good test. There are I believe 4 champs, 4 belts to collect. You have your opinion, I have mine.

[aboutfkntime]

You're so full of crap I can smell you through my PC monitor. Your so called damning evidence backs up my claim. This a$$hole doesn't even read the articles who uses to do his arguing for him.

Look back at the article you copy and pasted. You bolded very specific portions of the article that made GGG's side look bad. But you somehow managed to miss the part of the article that makes any sensible person question the seriousness of Ward's negotiations. Here is the part you seem to have missed in the 5th paragraph.
There’s really no other explanation other than a version of that one. Ward has said repeatedly he couldn’t get below 168 if he tried, and his last fight was at 172.

Let me repeat that just in case you missed it for the millionth time.

WARD HAS SAID REPEATEDLY THAT HE COULDN'T GET BELOW 168 IF HE TRIED. Are you ****ing kidding me? You're giving GGG ***** for supposedly demanding the fight take place at 164 instead of 168 because you think he clearly didn't want the fight. Meanwhile Andre Ward, the guy who supposedly pushed for the fight admits that it would be impossible for him to make 168. So how the **** was he negotiating in good faith.

So come on you clown. Explain how much Ward wanted the fight if he admits he couldn't possibly make 168. Was GGG supposed to jump up to light heavyweight for the fight?

I posted the ENTIRE article, you lame fcuk

just what we needed, another story-telling fanboy clown



According to a source which spoke exclusively to Boxing Scene, WBA Super World super-middleweight champion Andre Ward (28-0, 15 KO’s) and WBA Super World middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (33-0, 30 KO’s) have been in negotiations to set up a fight.

However, negotiations haven’t been going smoothly thus far, with Golovkin’s team requesting a 164 lb. catch-weight.

Andre Ward’s last fight was in June against Paul Smith at a172 lb. catch-weight, but there’s a difference. Both Ward and Smith have spent a majority of their careers at the 168 level, so with both making the move up to light-heavyweight, no one was at a disadvantage.

Paul Smith did intentionally blow weight and came in at 176 ½ pounds, but it didn’t make a difference, as he was dominated and stopped inside the ninth round.

Gennady Golovkin stopped Willie Monroe Jr. inside the sixth round in May to retain his WBA/IBO titles.

Ward dropped by ESPN studios on Monday and claimed he was walking around 180, which means he would have to drop 16 pounds just to make weight, and he hasn’t weighed below 166 since November 2006 when he fought Derrick Findley.

From what it looks like, Golovkin and his team are preventing this fight from happening. Golovkin offered to fight the now retired Carl Froch at the super-middleweight limit of 168 lbs., as well as former WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., but wants a catch-weight for Andre Ward?

The 2004 Olympic gold medalist has informed his promoter at Roc Nation Sports that he wants to fight Golovkin next, but he’s not going to fight him at 164 pounds.

“Ward wants to fight Golovkin, and he wants to fight next, but it won’t happen at 164-pounds. By accepting 168 with Carl Froch and Chavez Jr., but then demanding 164 with Ward – it’s their way of saying, ‘we don’t want to fight Andre Ward,” the source revealed to Boxing Scene.

[yankees7448]

I posted the ENTIRE article, you lame fcuk

just what we needed, another story-telling fanboy clown

Yes you posted the entire article but you didn't read it and apparently the dumba$$ who wrote it didn't recognize the truth with in his writings either.

Ward said he was pushing for a fight with GGG. Supposedly GGG's team wanted him to drop down to 164. The author claims that is proof positive that GGG didn't want the fight. But in the same article Andre Ward is quoted to have said he couldn't possibly make even 168. If by his own admission he couldn't make 168 then he couldn't possibly have been negotiating in good faith either.