Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Broner, Canelo-WBC, Lomachenko, More

[kafkod]

"If Joe Calzaghe and Pernell Whitaker had a baby it would be Lomachenko"

haha quote of the day

I thought that was very apt! Loma has the same ability Calzaghe had to open up crazy angles and box on the front foot, back foot, inside, outside, whatever ... but without any of the wild sloppiness Joe was sometimes prone to. He moves smoothly and with unflappable composure, like Sweet Pea.

[Lester Tutor]

Hi Breadman. These articles are suspect....

What up bro? I’m a Mexican from Houston and I have no problem admitting Marquez was a PED user. It’s the most obvious case of ROIDS in boxing. Come one Bread. You’re giving him a break. I know you don’t write stories and you just do mailbags so I will give you a slight pass. But Marquez didn’t win the title until he was 30. He needed “gear” to give him longevity and keep his explosiveness. His most celebrated victory is a PED induced fight. I look at users like police officers are looked at when they are caught planting evidence. All of their cases go under speculation or get thrown out. That’s how I look at obvious PED users. By the way I have an obvious list of users but I won’t list them yet. I want you to answer Marquez specifically. In your opinion do you think he was on PEDs?

Bread’s Response: Look man I can’t say a fighter who didn’t fail a test is on PEDs. It’s just not ethical. But I will say, you can’t fail a test that you don’t take. I will also admit the body transformation at the late age and delay on testing in the Bradley fight is su****ious. But I won’t go further than that….
I will also say one of the reasons the media gives Marquez a pass on PEDs is because they suspected Pacquiao of being on them.

If you knew boxing, you could've pointed out these obvious things to that 'poster..'

Hopkins, 30 years of age World Title

Marquez's style is a particular, why didn't you correct the poster's theory with this....

Born July 31, 1939. Beristain trained Mexico’s amateur boxing teams at the 1968, 1976 and 1980 Olympic Games.

In the pro ranks he has piloted 18 champions, including Gilberto Roman (super flyweight), Victor Rabanales (bantamweight), Guty Espadas, Jr. (featherweight), Rodolfo Lopez (featherweight), Melchor Cob Castro (light flyweight), Jorge Paez (featherweight), Jorge Arce (light flyweight), Rafael Marquez (bantamweight and super bantamweight), Juan Manuel Marquez (featherweight, super featherweight and lightweight) and Hall of Famers Ricardo “Finito” Lopez (strawweight and light flyweight), Humberto “Chiquita” Gonzalez (junior flyweight) and Daniel Zaragoza (bantamweight and super bantamweight).

Beristain has a reputation for developing fighters highly regarded for their technical boxing prowess. He is also a proponent of combination punching that ends with the uppercut.

[MidWestBrawler]

This is for that punk ass Mexican from Houston who accused Juan Manuel Marquez of being a PED user without any facts.

The facts are he used Memo for fight prep.

Memo himself in an interview said he has many undetectable steroids in his arsenal.

It's not a failed test but not a good look either.

[HarvardBlue]

I agree with everything he said about Lomachenko except the Calzaghe/Whitaker baby. I'm a huge Whitaker fan and putting him Calzaghe in the same sentence is blasphemous. I can't find any flaws with Lomachenko but he does need an elite fighter on his resume.

As far as Marquez, both him and Pacquiao inflicted more damage on each other in the 4th fight than the previous 3. If you suspect Marquez of anything you need to say the same about Pacquiao.

[Shadoww702]

The WBA just started VADA testing almost identical in every way as what the WBC does just this year...

And last I looked Canelo is fighting for GGG WBA Belt.

[pacmanis1]

How can anyone think May/Mac can do 10 million buys? I don't see this beating May/Pac.

[Shadoww702]

I agree with everything he said about Lomachenko except the Calzaghe/Whitaker baby. I'm a huge Whitaker fan and putting him Calzaghe in the same sentence is blasphemous. I can't find any flaws with Lomachenko but he does need an elite fighter on his resume.

As far as Marquez, both him and Pacquiao inflicted more damage on each other in the 4th fight than the previous 3. If you suspect Marquez of anything you need to say the same about Pacquiao.

Is always get a good laugh hearing Pac fans accuse JMM of PEDS. I mean Pac/ Roach his own TRAINER admits he doesn't know what was in the shakes he was taken. Avoided blood testing unless it fit in his time frame. And seem to of lost his KO almost over night...

[filup79]

Everyone praises Loma likes he's the greatest ever. Arum comparing him to Ali and stating that he's better than Floyd is ludicrous. He's a great talent and looks sensational against who he's fighting, but will he look that good against elite competition? They guy is 29, look at what Floyd and Manny had done by that age. There is no way Loma could move up in weight and dominate like Floyd and Manny did. He had problem with Salido who outweighed him by 11 lbs. Both Manny and Floyd have completely dominated guys who have outweighed them by more. Loma looks great now but I don't see him beating Mikey. His punch out put will drop because Mikey won't let him throw punches and will have to be aware of Mikey punching back. For the short term, people think he's the greatest ever, but let see in 5 years if he is capable of fighting the same way. Remember FLoyd was destroying everyone in better fashion than Loma until he went up in weight and got older. He then had to adapt and change his style. Not every flashy offensive fighter last that long. How many of those were able to compete and be dominant past 35?

[Shadoww702]

Everyone praises Loma likes he's the greatest ever. Arum comparing him to Ali and stating that he's better than Floyd is ludicrous. He's a great talent and looks sensational against who he's fighting, but will he look that good against elite competition? They guy is 29, look at what Floyd and Manny had done by that age. There is no way Loma could move up in weight and dominate like Floyd and Manny did. He had problem with Salido who outweighed him by 11 lbs. Both Manny and Floyd have completely dominated guys who have outweighed them by more. Loma looks great now but I don't see him beating Mikey. His punch out put will drop because Mikey won't let him throw punches and will have to be aware of Mikey punching back. For the short term, people think he's the greatest ever, but let see in 5 years if he is capable of fighting the same way. Remember FLoyd was destroying everyone in better fashion than Loma until he went up in weight and got older. He then had to adapt and change his style. Not every flashy offensive fighter last that long. How many of those were able to compete and be dominant past 35?

Don't forget Broner was looking sensational as well. Heck some people had him ranked P4P top 10 back then...

[GhostofDempsey]

WTF is Stevenson doing on his P4P top ten list?