Ridiculous things you've heard casuals say

[BoxingIsGreat]

I actually don't put Golovkin in the "great" category yet. Again you don't seem to get it. I have no arguments saying he isn't "great". What I'm arguing is saying that it makes a person a "casual" if they say he is. Saying someone is "great" isn't a fact it is an opinion. What are the facts someone could use to support their argument are some of the ones I stated earlier. Those numbers regardless of who he is fighting are among the best of all time in the division. I could argue that he he would have beat guys like Martinez or Cotto if they didn't avoid him that's how "great" he is.

Giving an opinion doesn't make one a casual. Not being able to provide a coherent argument makes someone a casual.

Well, that's where I can't agree. Your competition is the greatest criterion upon which you are evaluated in determining your "greatness." His is dismal. Anyone who thinks Golovkin is "great" is either a casual or biased.

[kafkod]

Hey if you want to post videos or images of men with boners in all kinds of wrestling be guest. You should probably write a report how long wrestling has surfaced the earth. Pugilism doesn't even date from your beck of the woods and has more common roots To Mediterranean culture. You bring up classic Turkish wrestling when my country also competes in modern day wrestling including the Olympics

Touched a nerve did I?

Is that why you spend so much time here sucking BBC and trolling whitie .. because you have no pride in your own culture and heritage.

Pathetic worm.

[Lester Tutor]

Touched a nerve did I?

Is that why you spend so much time here sucking BBC and trolling whitie .. because you have no pride in your own culture and heritage.

Pathetic worm.

What do you mean no pride? We can scout pics online of professional wrestling of men having boners and assume that's the whole sport? I don't follow Turkish wrestling, maybe sometimes but rarely. Some facts for you son, Turkish wrestling is a blend of Sumo style wrestling and Ju Jitsu. The timing can be limitless in a match until you pin the guy on his back. The grease makes it difficult as it's show raw strength and grip. A match can take less than a minute to more than an hour. Ever watch Ju Jitsu? Gi's help with gripping.

Like those facts? You can't itch my nerves son.

[iamboxing]

"People forget that Conor uses punches to the head in most his fights. Mayweather has never been hit to the head in his rigged fights" - youtube comment

[Diego Rodriguez]

Well, that's where I can't agree. Your competition is the greatest criterion upon which you are evaluated in determining your "greatness." His is dismal. Anyone who thinks Golovkin is "great" is either a casual or biased.

So is it crazy for anyone to think Larry Holmes was great (there wasn't one other prime great fighter he faced)? How about Rocky Marciano? How about Tyson, were people crazy to say at any point he was "great". How about Bernard Hopkins prior to the Tito fight? If someone said Hops was a great fighter prior to the Tito fight should they be called a casual? Who's really the casual if someone scoffed at that person and then Hops went and destroyed Tito?

Sometimes you can watch an athlete and think they are great and they don't have to be playing against another great player. I can watch Kevin Durant against decent competition and I can tell he is a great player. I don't need him to go against Lebron to tell me that. I know enough about the game to make that determination.

I understand your perspective but great is still a subjective term. You want to try and make it based on facts, you can't do that.

[lparm]

Very few people have seen all 49 of floyds fights. I seriously doubt anyone on here has seen every one of them. Al haymon hasn't even seen them all.

[BoxingIsGreat]

So is it crazy for anyone to think Larry Holmes was great (there wasn't one other prime great fighter he faced)? How about Rocky Marciano? How about Tyson, were people crazy to say at any point he was "great". How about Bernard Hopkins prior to the Tito fight? If someone said Hops was a great fighter prior to the Tito fight should they be called a casual? Who's really the casual if someone scoffed at that person and then Hops went and destroyed Tito?

Sometimes you can watch an athlete and think they are great and they don't have to be playing against another great player. I can watch Kevin Durant against decent competition and I can tell he is a great player. I don't need him to go against Lebron to tell me that. I know enough about the game to make that determination.

I understand your perspective but great is still a subjective term. You want to try and make it based on facts, you can't do that.

Then why not call all good fighters who fight decent fighters "great"? Let's say, Bradley, Khan, Garcia, Porter, are all great fighters. Would you agree? They all also fought much better competition and won against better fighters than Golovkin did.

Based on the eye test, as you suggested, I think Davis and Spence are the greatest fighters right now, bar none. Would you agree? I think not. They haven't had their stiffest tests yet. Same goes for Golovkin. He hasn't proven anything.

I'm not personally disagreeing with you. We just see it different.

[RyanjLarose]

mike tyson was top 3 greatest heavy weight all time
mike tyson was/is the hardest puncher ever

-same guy

[A.K]

"Connors too skilled for mayweather he's gonna knock him out dude"(serious face and all)

"Connors left hand reminds me of Tyson"

"Roy jones would school mayweather that's why mayweather ducked him"

"Mike Tyson could knock out all of today's heavyweights in one night"

"Mike Tyson is the best boxer ever"

"Fights off Floyd got arrested for beating up he's girlfriend he's a ***** for backing down from Connor this way" ( posting old links from 2011 on social media while everyone agrees in the comments)

[Johnny Steele]

Touched a nerve did I?

Is that why you spend so much time here sucking BBC and trolling whitie .. because you have no pride in your own culture and heritage.

Pathetic worm.

What do you mean no pride? We can scout pics online of professional wrestling of men having boners and assume that's the whole sport? I don't follow Turkish wrestling, maybe sometimes but rarely. Some facts for you son, Turkish wrestling is a blend of Sumo style wrestling and Ju Jitsu. The timing can be limitless in a match until you pin the guy on his back. The grease makes it difficult as it's show raw strength and grip. A match can take less than a minute to more than an hour. Ever watch Ju Jitsu? Gi's help with gripping.

Like those facts? You can't itch my nerves son.

Hahaha
Turkish wrestling is for f@ggots. Everyone knows that.