Vasyl Lomachenko is not the same type of fighter when he faces southpawss

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  • Zaryu
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    #11
    You say Russel is tiny but Rigo is even smaller. I think Loma has been improving and he would manage southpaws even better now.

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    • pesticid
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      #12
      Originally posted by Zaryu
      You say Russel is tiny but Rigo is even smaller. I think Loma has been improving and he would manage southpaws even better now.
      Loma hasn't fought a southpaw since Russel though and while he's improving in terms of getting stoppages he is sacrificing his defense along the way. After every fight he talks about getting better at defense and this is against guys like Sosa, Marriaga and Roman Martinez.

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        #13
        Originally posted by pesticid
        Loma hasn't fought a southpaw since Russel though and while he's improving in terms of getting stoppages he is sacrificing his defense along the way. After every fight he talks about getting better at defense and this is against guys like Sosa, Marriaga and Roman Martinez.
        He's getting better overall. I don't think he was as dominant against Russel as with his recent opposition, but he did dominate in the fight. His rhythm and punch selection keeps getting better, I believe that will translate into a better performance against southpaws as well. However, only time will tell.

        There's always room for improvement, his high contact style is one that leaves fighters more vulnerable to get hit, but that approach is also what keeps him exciting against opponents who aren't pressing the action against him. It's always good to strive for a more air right defense.

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        • KillTheHype
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          #14
          loma**** barely won that fight with russell
          look at the scorecards
          not the same type of fighter when he faces any good boxer
          mexicans need to get their hands on his wife and kids

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            #15
            Originally posted by pesticid
            I don't think the reach plays a factor because Loma doesn't allow for an outside fight. He makes you fight his fight, which is on the inside. Your reach doesn't matter if your feet are slower than Loma and especially if you're an orthodox fighter who doesn't go to the body like Mikey Garcia.

            Crawford will beat him just because of a very educated footwork and range control from a southpaw stance. I repeat Vasyl is great and does things that most people can't do as far as footwork but he can't do the same things against fellow southpaws.
            I disagree. opponents with a longer reach seem to be better able to hit and score on Loma. He took far more damage from Salido and Marriaga then he did Russsell, despite the fact Marriaga and Salido are much slower than Loma and Russell is faster than Loma (might have fastest hands in boxing) and is a better boxer than both.

            The best way to neutralize Loma's offense is to create space and not let him fight on the inside where he lis at his best. I think the slightly longer reach is key to doing that.

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              #16
              Originally posted by pesticid
              I am not following bud
              T word as in Tank.

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              • Boxfan83
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                #17
                Originally posted by pesticid
                Get this through your heads, even his win over tiny Russell is blown out of proportion. It's a good win for Loma, but it's not a masterpiece or anything like that. He did have to think a lot in there and Russell only moves in straight lines. Go back to the Selimov fight, the most recent one if you wish, which was 5 rounds under World Series Boxing. Loma didn't win that one in my opinion. Go back to fighting limited Yasnier Toledo in the 2012 Olympics, Loma was surviving the 3rd round after being hit to the body.

                Is Loma a great fighter? Absolutely, I've been watching him since 2008 and the same step around step that he does against orthodox fighter he cannot exploit against other southpaws, and especially against the guy with the best footwork in the game, Rigo.

                So yeah Rigo has slowed down significantly, I believe he is 36 and to be that age as a champion at 122 must be some kind of record in boxing but let's not act like Loma will have the same type of fight that he would have against other orthodox fighters.
                Russell probably has the fastest hands in boxing. So yeah, hed make anyone think and I think Loma beat him a lot better than the judges had us thinking.

                Tbh there really isnt any need for Rigo vs. Loma, Loma will beat the breaks off of him and wont get any credit. Excuses will be, Rigo was to old, to small, past his prime, etc... Rigo gets put on his ass by C level fighters, IMO (as of now) Loma's a B+/A- sorta guy with spots of potential of a solid A, Rigos never fought a guy like that and no one that "supposedly" ducked Rigo was anywhere near that. In other words, if Loma gets rigo into trouble, Rigo isnt getting out of it.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                  I disagree. opponents with a longer reach seem to be better able to hit and score on Loma. He took far more damage from Salido and Marriaga then he did Russsell, despite the fact Marriaga and Salido are much slower than Loma and Russell is faster than Loma (might have fastest hands in boxing) and is a better boxer than both.

                  The best way to neutralize Loma's offense is to create space and not let him fight on the inside where he lis at his best. I think the slightly longer reach is key to doing that.
                  It's not about reach it's about RANGE.

                  That's what sets Davis apart from the others

                  His range is amazing for any fighter.....let alone such a short one.

                  HE will be the one to take over at 130-140

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Boxfan83
                    Russell probably has the fastest hands in boxing. So yeah, hed make anyone think and I think Loma beat him a lot better than the judges had us thinking.

                    Tbh there really isnt any need for Rigo vs. Loma, Loma will beat the breaks off of him and wont get any credit. Excuses will be, Rigo was to old, to small, past his prime, etc... Rigo gets put on his ass by C level fighters, IMO (as of now) Loma's a B+/A- sorta guy with spots of potential of a solid A, Rigos never fought a guy like that and no one that "supposedly" ducked Rigo was anywhere near that. In other words, if Loma gets rigo into trouble, Rigo isnt getting out of it.
                    Rigo would have killed Marriaga without getting touched.

                    Dude had Loma walking into shots...image what Rigo would walk his ass into.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Kigali
                      It's not about reach it's about RANGE.

                      That's what sets Davis apart from the others

                      His range is amazing for any fighter.....let alone such a short one.

                      HE will be the one to take over at 130-140
                      I am one that puts a lot of stock into reach when used correctly. I just think you need some God given attributes to beat Loma because, as we found out with Russell, outboxing him is extremely difficult even if you are perhaps the fastest in the sport.

                      IMO you need to keep him away from you with the jab because once he gets inside you are gonna get your ass beat.

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