is 'the slickster' a dying breed?

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  • Madison Boxing
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    #41
    Originally posted by Raggamuffin
    No. And what's a slickster? What's your definition of a slickster?
    defensively minded, cagey, elusive, often have a shoulder roll defense. Reluctant to trade punches, instead usually land single shots as counters, lots of lateral movement, very fluid. Just cause broner isnt an elite slick fighter doesnt mean his style isnt that of a slick fighter. People dont seem to be able to understand that.

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    • MDPopescu
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      #42
      Originally posted by sup
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      loma and crawford are probably better examples, maybe even canelo.
      ... Ok, ok..........................

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      • Banderivets
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        #43
        What is "slick"? Is this becoming the new "aflectic"?

        It appears to me that it is a stereotype used to simply describe African American fighters, of all styles but more alluding to guys like Floyd in their defensive style.

        Why not just say guys who employ the philly shell?


        Because if it is about being defensively minded than a lot of guys out there have great defense but I bet most wouldn't call them "slick" as in the case of Loma for example, or Usyk? Or are they slick?

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        • Raggamuffin
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          #44
          Originally posted by DramaShow
          defensively minded, cagey, elusive, often have a shoulder roll defense. Reluctant to trade punches, instead usually land single shots as counters, lots of lateral movement, very fluid. Just cause broner isnt an elite slick fighter doesnt mean his style isnt that of a slick fighter. People dont seem to be able to understand that.
          That's not what a slickster is. You described what many say is an old Floyd Mayweather.

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          • sicko
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            #45
            Originally posted by DramaShow
            well bernard hopkins, paulie malignaggi and adrien broner himself say it, so im not the only one. What style do you all think he is?
            Please explain what exactly about Broner is "SLICK"

            Sounds to me like you think Slick=Black Fighter and that is not the case at all! Slick is a STYLE!

            Boner is a Pot Shot Counter Puncher! That is ALL HE DOES LITERALLY!

            Rigondeaux is slick:


            Lomachenko is slick:


            Broner is NOT:

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            • The Gambler1981
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              #46
              A slick guy is a guy that can fluidly go from offense to defense and offense to defense. It is literally one of the hardest things to do in boxing because it is like doing two things at once and most guys have trouble doing one thing at a world class level.

              Defensive guys aren't slick they are defensive, they aren't really turning defense into offense especially in a way that is tricking a professional prize fighter. Broner certainly isn't slick he is athletic with fast hands, he should be trying to get off first rather than waiting because he does not move well from defense to offense or offense to defense.

              It is why a really slick guy will make a world class guy look foolish because it is really a different level and they just do stuff that is not something a guy will even comprehend.

              So IF a world class fighter can be tricked and fooled by fighter, how is a fan going to really comprehend and understand other than have an open mind and try to get it not wedge it in some neat little box which is not slick at all.

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                #47
                Originally posted by The Gambler1981
                A slick guy is a guy that can fluidly go from offense to defense and offense to defense. It is literally one of the hardest things to do in boxing because it is like doing two things at once and most guys have trouble doing one thing at a world class level.

                Defensive guys aren't slick they are defensive, they aren't really turning defense into offense especially in a way that is tricking a professional prize fighter. Broner certainly isn't slick he is athletic with fast hands, he should be trying to get off first rather than waiting because he does not move well from defense to offense or offense to defense.

                It is why a really slick guy will make a world class guy look foolish because it is really a different level and they just do stuff that is not something a guy will even comprehend.

                So IF a world class fighter can be tricked and fooled by fighter, how is a fan going to really comprehend and understand other than have an open mind and try to get it not wedge it in some neat little box which is not slick at all.
                Well said.

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                • Sup
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by MDPopescu
                  ... Ok, ok..........................
                  You don't think Crawford and Lomachenko are more slick than Broner?

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Banderivets
                    What is "slick"? Is this becoming the new "aflectic"?

                    It appears to me that it is a stereotype used to simply describe African American fighters, of all styles but more alluding to guys like Floyd in their defensive style.

                    Why not just say guys who employ the philly shell?


                    Because if it is about being defensively minded than a lot of guys out there have great defense but I bet most wouldn't call them "slick" as in the case of Loma for example, or Usyk? Or are they slick?

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                    • TheBigLug
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                      #50
                      Broner tries to fight slick and gives off the illusion he is, but he really isn't.

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