Floyd dismantled Marquez after a two year lay off... Pacquiao got knocked out

[JK1700]

Floyd winning against Marquez is nothing to brag about when Marquez jumped 2 division to fight Floyd. If anything, it is embarrassing considering the fact that of all people at welterweight that Floyd could fight such as Margarito, Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Manny Pacquiao, he chose a lightweight.

Pacquiao never got credit on beating a still game Miguel Cotto at a catchweight at 145 where Cotto fought previously at 146, and it sure as hell Floyd wouldn't be getting credit of fighting Marquez at a catchweight of 144 then cheating hhim at the scales, when Marquez previously fought at 135 LMAO.

But this is a thread for FL0MMOS to jerk at Floyd's achievements so it doesn't surprise me.

You've gotta be kidding me. Most people think Marquez beat Pacquiao in 3/4 of their fights and since Pacquiao didn't want the fight he fought the next best guy (who in all honesty is the better fighter). Margarito is a bum who got beat half to death by Mosley (who Floyd beat 11 rounds to 1 the very next fight). Cotto was with Top Rank and Bob Arum never had any interest in making that fight. When they were both with Top Rank he was quoted as saying "Cotto isn't ready, we need to build him up more, get him ready". Williams? Are you serious? I liked Paul but he couldn't even beat Quintana and you think he'd beat Mayweather? What next? Floyd was ducking Carlos Quintana? Do you even watch boxing?

Marquez is the 2nd or 3rd best boxer of this era and the only legitimate, undisputed loss he's had in his career was against Floyd. Who fought him after he KO'd Casamayor (who had never been stopped) and Diaz in one of the best performances of his career and also the FOTY). Manny fought Marquez when he thought he was washed up and still got knocked the hell out in one of the most embarrassing knockouts ever in the history of combat sports.

You Pacquiao fans are just the worst. Pure cheerleaders who just don't understand boxing. Nobody ever beat Marquez clearly, besides Mayweather. Facts.

[Thraxox]

You've gotta be kidding me. Most people think Marquez beat Pacquiao in 3/4 of their fights and since Pacquiao didn't want the fight he fought the next best guy (who in all honesty is the better fighter). Margarito is a bum who got beat half to death by Mosley (who Floyd beat 11 rounds to 1 the very next fight). Cotto was with Top Rank and Bob Arum never had any interest in making that fight. When they were both with Top Rank he was quoted as saying "Cotto isn't ready, we need to build him up more, get him ready". Williams? Are you serious? I liked Paul but he couldn't even beat Quintana and you think he'd beat Mayweather? What next? Floyd was ducking Carlos Quintana? Do you even watch boxing?

Marquez is the 2nd or 3rd best boxer of this era and the only legitimate, undisputed loss he's had in his career was against Floyd. Who fought him after he KO'd Casamayor (who had never been stopped) and Diaz in one of the best performances of his career and also the FOTY). Manny fought Marquez when he thought he was washed up and still got knocked the hell out in one of the most embarrassing knockouts ever in the history of combat sports.

You Pacquiao fans are just the worst. Pure cheerleaders who just don't understand boxing. Nobody ever beat Marquez clearly, besides Mayweather. Facts.

Resorting to insults instead of responding to facts is a common FLOMMO reaction, which I am not surprised.

[Thraxox]

So you're saying Marquez would've beat Mayweather at 135?

Even Marquez conceded he got beat by Mayweather. The only time he's made such a concession.

Did I say that? No. I said putting on weight instantly can make your body lose reflexes, reaction, power, speed etc. etc.

Marquez was never going to beat Mayweather at 144 when he was at 135 and jumped 2 weight classes.

Also, Marquez might do better at 135 but he would still get beaten by May.

[asgarth]

I was just about to post a thread about TBE's win over JMM. In my opinion it's his most underrated win, why? Because you could make a strong argument that Marquez never genuinely lost to anyone else. I had him beating Norwood, Pacquiao in 3 of 4 fights (I had the other a draw), Chris John (robbery), Bradley (Close, but he should've won). Floyd's the only guy that truly beat him when you look at it.

What's even more amazing is that he totally dominated him and made it look easy against one of the greatest of this era and of all time. In all honesty Marquez is better than Pacquiao. The media/fans just give Manny more credit because he moved up more weight divisions and had some exciting wins against a lot of past prime/damaged guys. Plus he had The Bobfather who brainwashed lots of halfwit boxing fans and gullible media people into thinking he was as good or better

Difference of opinions, but in my book Pacquiao ranks higher than Marquez.

Marquez is like kryptonite for Pacquiao. The more they fought, the better marquezs countercombopunching style worked. Other than him it takes a great boxer to beat Pacquiao in his prime.

Besides Marquez wins over Pacquiao, I don't see how his resume compares with Pacquiaos.

Pacquiao, Barrera, casamayor, Diaz, salido, katsidis, Alvarado doesnt really compare to:

Barrera, Morales, Marquez, cotto, Bradley, Hatton, margarito, delahoya, Mosley, clottey, ledwaba, etc.

[JK1700]

Difference of opinions, but in my book Pacquiao ranks higher than Marquez.

Marquez is like kryptonite for Pacquiao. The more they fought, the better marquezs countercombopunching style worked. Other than him it takes a great boxer to beat Pacquiao in his prime.

Besides Marquez wins over Pacquiao, I don't see how his resume compares with Pacquiaos.

Pacquiao, Barrera, casamayor, Diaz, salido, katsidis, Alvarado doesnt really compare to:

Barrera, Morales, Marquez, cotto, Bradley, Hatton, margarito, delahoya, Mosley, clottey, ledwaba, etc.

I respect this view, if you take away their fights with each other Manny has the better resume for sure. He just had more big fights, because he had a promoter with more power. Marquez was also a late bloomer, so his career hasn't been as long. It all depends on how you define greatness. I look at skills. Skill-wise JMM is the greater boxer, and won most of their fights (I had him winning 3/4, I had the first fight a draw). However some people out there will say Manny's better because of his record/number of titles etc. That doesn't mean he's a better boxer though.

[HarvardBlue]

Did I say that? No. I said putting on weight instantly can make your body lose reflexes, reaction, power, speed etc. etc.

Marquez was never going to beat Mayweather at 144 when he was at 135 and jumped 2 weight classes.

Also, Marquez might do better at 135 but he would still get beaten by May.

Thanks for admitting that it didn't make a difference and I agree Marquez would do better but still lose. The other question is if it didn't make a difference in the final outcome why do people such as yourself bring it up EVERY time this fight come up?

[GrandmasterWang]

Floyd would get more credit if he had made weight like a professional.

Floyd was a biatch....a complete biatch, effectively 3 weight divisions above the guy.

It's a shame because the performance itself was exceptional against an ATG in Marquez.

Marquez lost my respect in the leadup by deciding to drink his own piss in an attempt to gain the weight quickly. I will never ever support drinking your own or anyone elses urine. Wtf was Marquez thinking?

[Thraxox]

Thanks for admitting that it didn't make a difference and I agree Marquez would do better but still lose. The other question is if it didn't make a difference in the final outcome why do people such as yourself bring it up EVERY time this fight come up?

Had Mayweather fought Marquez at 135 and beat him it would be miles and miles better than the one he fought at 144. It is the context of the fight on how resume's are created: Without asterisks and set backs that degrades a fighter.

Marquez's best weight was at 130-135, and Floyd fought him at 144, so the win degrades, because the physical aspects of gaining weight, even though in the end he might only do better but still the outcome remains on Floyd winning, it doesn't matter because Marquez was compromised as an opponent because of the weight.

You'll see that in the Cotto fight, the Canelo fight, the Marquez fight.

But still, regardless of catchweights, Pacquiao and May are still in my top 13. We are just looking in too much of their resume because they are in the modern era where information becomes more available to the public. Past greats did it to but they were fortunate enough it was at the time where people dont have the information to dissect their careers as specific as we do to Pac and May.

[Chaos]

Yes, it's amazing what bringing one of the world's foremost drug cheats can do for you. There's a reason why he's ****-scared of a rematch where he'd be blood-tested.

[JK1700]

Did I say that? No. I said putting on weight instantly can make your body lose reflexes, reaction, power, speed etc. etc.

Marquez was never going to beat Mayweather at 144 when he was at 135 and jumped 2 weight classes.

Also, Marquez might do better at 135 but he would still get beaten by May.

Marquez didn't make any excuses so why are you doing it for him? He moved up in weight, so what? Roberto Duran and Shane Mosley did the exact same thing and beat ATG's when they did it so it's no excuse. Yeah Floyd is a bit bigger but he's fought guys 20lbs heavier and dominated them. Plus Pacquiao is the same size as Marquez, in fact Marquez is bigger than him. Also Pacquiao jumped up 2 weight classes against De La Hoya. So what? It makes no difference and Floyd beat him with finesse not power. I'd agree if he beat him with power/pressure.

The fight would look exactly the same at 130-135 as it did at 147.