What's with the notion that we should root for Floyd just because he's a boxer?

[original zero]

Who said anything about 152? I actually said 147 since we're talking about catchweights.

The question is simple. Name a welterweight that would have made it through that gauntlet undefeated. Fighting those guys, at those weights, on those dates. You can't. So you're trying to change the question.

[CatchAndShoot]

no, it's not. it's the truth, whether you like it or not.

if you and i get into a fight for our lives, we are not limited to just punching. boxing is the sport of punching and not getting punched. but it's not the sport of fighting. the sport of fighting is MMA.

Boxing is fighting. Yeah, I'm most street fights, people grapple, but that's mainly because they panic, and don't know how to throw a proper punch, or scared to take a punch.

It's called panic wrestling. Do I think the UFC HW champ would mail the HW boxing champ, of course, but I'm not gonna call the boxing champ, half a fighter. That's completely ignorant, and disrespectful. If you wanna go that route, you can call the boxing HW champ, more of the warrior, since he can't avoid a fist fight by grappling and going for TDs. He has to take his licks like a man, deliver his own to try and beat his opponent, or has to defend against them with head movment, body movement, and technical boxing craft. Not by rushing his opponent, and taking him down, and avoiding getting punched.

Do I love MMA, of course. Do I think MMA fighters are complete bad asses, and would more than likely beat their boxing counter parts, of course. But would I call a boxer a half a fighter? Hell no.

[original zero]

Boxing is fighting. Yeah, I'm most street fights, people grapple, but that's mainly because they panic, and don't know how to throw a proper punch, or scared to take a punch.

boxing is a form of fighting, but a boxing match is not a full fight, it's two fighters being restricted to one aspect of fighting.

so you can't rag on conor when he's telling the truth.

with that said, a great boxing match has drama and excitement that is very difficult for a real true fight to duplicate.

boxing and MMA both have their place in the sports world, but when someone points out that MMA is true fighting and boxing isn't, it's true, even if you find it aggravating to have it pointed out.

[BrometheusBob.]

I don't like Floyd, at all, and Manny beat him, but agree with most on the 1st page. As a boxing purist, first and foremost, which was my first combat sports love, before MMA, I wouldn't be able to stand the MMA, and Conor fanboys saying that boxing is officially soft, and even a boxing noob could beat their best guy. I just can't enjoy that, no matter how much I want Floyd to lose (to a boxer).

And TS, are you F'ing kidding me? This would literally make boxing look like complete ****, and a farce if a guy with a 0-0 boxing record beat, or God forbid, knocked out the best boxer of this generation, and possibly the most technically gifted boxer of all time. Are you living in some fantasy world that we aren't a part of?

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[CatchAndShoot]

boxing is a form of fighting, but a boxing match is not a full fight, it's two fighters being restricted to one aspect of fighting.

so you can't rag on conor when he's telling the truth.

with that said, a great boxing match has drama and excitement that is very difficult for a real true fight to duplicate.

boxing and MMA both have their place in the sports world, but when someone points out that MMA is true fighting and boxing isn't, it's true, even if you find it aggravating to have it pointed out.

I don't think one is "real fighting", and the other is, "half fighting". They both have their strengths and weaknesses, and yes, they BOTH have limitations, and potential that neither has. And they both have similarities.

Hell, most of the top fighters in MMA, and Conor the man himself included are the best, because of their superior boxing, and fans look at those guys as the best. So, really, a boxer that's a master at that craft can train in grappling for a year, to a few years, and have a great chance of being a force in MMA, just by virtue of already being a master at boxing, and having supreme hands.

Whereas, the MMA fighter that's a jack of all trades, but a master of none, assuming they're the prototypical MMA fighter, wouldn't stand a single chance in the squared circle even with years upon years of training. Not at the highest level at least.

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[GrandmasterWang]

The best boxer of his era losing to an MMA fighter would be a disaster for boxing. It can't be seen any other way.

Agree 100% about Floyd losing to a noob being a disaster for boxing.

[The_Sandman]

This is silly. Floyd losing will not be bad for boxing, if anything it will be good. Floyd has stunk the joint out for years, avoided prime HOF champs for his whole career (never faced a prime atg), is a vapid moron who's making a cynical money grab in this mismatch.

The boy deserves to be humiliated, it would be fantastic if McGregor knocked him out.

I think for you, your hate for Floyd is bigger than your love for boxing.

I don't think you realize that if Floyd loses, it not only makes Floyd look bad but everyone he beat look bad. Pacquiao, Cotto, Canelo, Oscar, Mosley, etc. These guys are hall of famers in boxing.

[GrandmasterWang]

boxing is a form of fighting, but a boxing match is not a full fight, it's two fighters being restricted to one aspect of fighting.

so you can't rag on conor when he's telling the truth.

with that said, a great boxing match has drama and excitement that is very difficult for a real true fight to duplicate.

boxing and MMA both have their place in the sports world, but when someone points out that MMA is true fighting and boxing isn't, it's true, even if you find it aggravating to have it pointed out.

Mma isn't true fighting at all. I have followed mma since UFC 1 and helped train friends who have competed in MMA. Its nothing like what I would consider a 'true fight'. Less restricted than boxing sure but still....

I've won a state championship for freestyle wrestling and freestyle wrestling is a great base for mma. If I had to worry about eye gouges, scrotum attacks and ear rips (aka real fighting) every time i went for a takedown it would change everything.

[The_Sandman]

it would mean he had amazing talent to crossover the sports. it wouldnt mean that boxing is somehow 'exposed' as a joke, its a sport that consists of top athletes just as every other sport. I couldnt care less if mayweather loses,it would make mcgregor a legend rather than destroy boxing. And the gloating from some UFC fans would be annoying, but the tears from mayweather fans would be something to behold lol

It means that a person who boxed and stuck with only boxing for 40 years lost to a guy who started off as a plumber, and boxed a little bit, and committed to other disciplines in another sport. It not only takes away from the sport of boxing, but it takes away from the level of commitment and dedication to one and only one discipline. I've always prided myself as a boxing fan rather than an MMA fan because I favored a person who put 100% at one craft than 25% in Muay Thai, 40% BJJ, 35% boxing, 10% karate. McGregor winning means that 35% level of commitment just defeated 100% level of commitment. (These numbers are just speculations)