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  • Mukuro
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    Is Conor underrated in this matchup?

    I'm going to play devil's advocate.

    The skill sets will be far apart and we have to question his ability to cope with elite level boxing as well as his stamina and pacing for a 12 round fight. That may well be enough to render the fight a circus act that plays out as expected by cynics in all honesty. I would like to suggest a way in which this may not be true.

    Here is what I am looking at that may make the fight more interesting than expected.

    Face to face, Conor is noticeably bigger. His shoulders are wider, his head is bigger, his arms are longer, his fists are bigger. He is a bigger man. Regardless of skill, this benefits his ability to absorb and dish out punishment, and provides him with the tactical advantages of strength and being able to engage at a longer range. Reach is absolutely one of the most underrated elements in boxing, especially regarding counter punchers and power punchers.

    He has knockout power. Naturally, punching with 4oz MMA gloves is different from what he'll be wearing against Floyd, but I think most people can agree that he is expected to be carrying KO power as a boxer based on his MMA results as well as testimony from sparring partners.

    Floyd is 40. Now obviously he has taken great care of himself and maintains unquestionable discipline and craft. We have not seen a marked decrease in his physical capacities, although some have argued that his movement/legs are not what they used to be. Given Conor's power (and perhaps ability to deliver it thanks to his reach and speed), a momentary lapse or slow reaction could prove dangerous. Furthermore, while Floyd beat Pac only 2 years ago, Pac himself was arguably past his prime and a much smaller man (not to mention the fact that he fought scared and it was a very unconvincing performance). Outside of that victory, he has not beaten an elite fighter since Alvarez 4 years prior. A great victory, but the difference between 36 and 40 is a question that may need to be answered.

    Conor's confidence, mental strength, and charisma. He is going into the fight knowing he can kill Floyd, and believing in his ability with supreme confidence. Obviously, that cannot overcome a massive skill deficit on its own, but accompanied with his physical advantages and knockout power, it will certainly make him dangerous early. It will be up to Floyd to break that confidence (which he is adept at). Nevertheless, I think Conor's mental strength and confidence can prove to be a factor. Floyd is able to dominate almost all of his opponents mentally, but I don't see it with Conor.

    He will be unorthodox. Floyd excels at beating fighters who fight his game. He knows what to expect and can take advantage particularly of traditional fighters. He knows the movements and the programming of disciplined boxers like JMM and Canelo, and he uses that predictability against them. Conor is a southpaw who has a proficient striking style developed somewhat outside of Floyd's field. He will be looking for counters from different angles (aided by his size advantage and younger reflexes), not futilely attempting to set up tired, predictable combos against a faster opponent. In some ways, his inexperience and unorthodox craft may throw off a finely tuned boxing master like Floyd.

    Now I think the safe bet is that Conor's skill set will be made to look somewhat amateurish, and I have big questions about his conditioning and preparedness to go 12. However, he will be going into the ring with some advantages. A marked physical size advantage, absolute confidence, knockout power, and an unorthodox style.

    I think if he maintains a focused, counter-punching style, he will be able to avoid falling into traps that exploit the difference in skill and more aptly take advantage of the assets he will bring to the fight. I think with a focused, responsible counter-punching approach, he can make a strong contest and outpace most people's expectations. Should he chase Floyd, sell out his reach and size, lose focus, and get desperate (as many Floyd opponents do), then he will ultimately be picked apart and embarrassed by Floyd's superior craft.
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    #2
    No. Let me present my case.

    Exhibit 1:





    Rest my case.

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    • A.K
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      Kys in short

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      • jay543
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        Originally posted by Mukuro
        I'm going to play devil's advocate.

        The skill sets will be far apart and we have to question his ability to cope with elite level boxing as well as his stamina and pacing for a 12 round fight. That may well be enough to render the fight a circus act that plays out as expected by cynics in all honesty. I would like to suggest a way in which this may not be true.

        Here is what I am looking at that may make the fight more interesting than expected.

        Face to face, Conor is noticeably bigger. His shoulders are wider, his head is bigger, his arms are longer, his fists are bigger. He is a bigger man. Regardless of skill, this benefits his ability to absorb and dish out punishment, and provides him with the tactical advantages of strength and being able to engage at a longer range. Reach is absolutely one of the most underrated elements in boxing, especially regarding counter punchers and power punchers.

        He has knockout power. Naturally, punching with 4oz MMA gloves is different from what he'll be wearing against Floyd, but I think most people can agree that he is expected to be carrying KO power as a boxer based on his MMA results as well as testimony from sparring partners.

        Floyd is 40. Now obviously he has taken great care of himself and maintains unquestionable discipline and craft. We have not seen a marked decrease in his physical capacities, although some have argued that his movement/legs are not what they used to be. Given Conor's power (and perhaps ability to deliver it thanks to his reach and speed), a momentary lapse or slow reaction could prove dangerous. Furthermore, while Floyd beat Pac only 2 years ago, Pac himself was arguably past his prime and a much smaller man (not to mention the fact that he fought scared and it was a very unconvincing performance). Outside of that victory, he has not beaten an elite fighter since Alvarez 4 years prior. A great victory, but the difference between 36 and 40 is a question that may need to be answered.

        Conor's confidence, mental strength, and charisma. He is going into the fight knowing he can kill Floyd, and believing in his ability with supreme confidence. Obviously, that cannot overcome a massive skill deficit on its own, but accompanied with his physical advantages and knockout power, it will certainly make him dangerous early. It will be up to Floyd to break that confidence (which he is adept at). Nevertheless, I think Conor's mental strength and confidence can prove to be a factor. Floyd is able to dominate almost all of his opponents mentally, but I don't see it with Conor.

        He will be unorthodox. Floyd excels at beating fighters who fight his game. He knows what to expect and can take advantage particularly of traditional fighters. He knows the movements and the programming of disciplined boxers like JMM and Canelo, and he uses that predictability against them. Conor is a southpaw who has a proficient striking style developed somewhat outside of Floyd's field. He will be looking for counters from different angles (aided by his size advantage and younger reflexes), not futilely attempting to set up tired, predictable combos against a faster opponent. In some ways, his inexperience and unorthodox craft may throw off a finely tuned boxing master like Floyd.

        Now I think the safe bet is that Conor's skill set will be made to look somewhat amateurish, and I have big questions about his conditioning and preparedness to go 12. However, he will be going into the ring with some advantages. A marked physical size advantage, absolute confidence, knockout power, and an unorthodox style.

        I think if he maintains a focused, counter-punching style, he will be able to avoid falling into traps that exploit the difference in skill and more aptly take advantage of the assets he will bring to the fight. I think with a focused, responsible counter-punching approach, he can make a strong contest and outpace most people's expectations. Should he chase Floyd, sell out his reach and size, lose focus, and get desperate (as many Floyd opponents do), then he will ultimately be picked apart and embarrassed by Floyd's superior craft.
        I think the word you're looking for is "overrated"

        The issue for me with McGregor isn't his size or his power, it's his speed.

        Everything I've seen of him makes him look slow as hell, if you're too slow to hit anything you're just carrying extra weight that will make you even more tired.

        No way in hell can McGregor beat Floyd by counter punching, that's Floyd's game. Floyd's faster and doesn't make mistakes, McGregor's only chance is to rush him and get a lucky punch.

        Also while Conor is definitely heavier, the height and reach difference really doesn't look too severe in my opinion but it's hard to tell by how much exactly when they're outside of the ring.
        Last edited by jay543; 07-14-2017, 04:54 AM.

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        • Elroy The Great
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          people are praying ''please let this be pac vs horn, pls let this be pac vs horn''

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          • Pinoy4ever
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            #6
            Anything can happen .... but it won't. Le's hope Mcgregor can make it entertaining and be awkward.

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            • Aidenho
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              Honestly I think he is being a little underrated, I can't think of too many top athletes that mayweather beat, and he's normally the man with the bigger reach. There good points and I think McGregor looks like he has some talent in the sparring he looks to be going fairly easy and was ok in there with van Heerdan, and he's had plenty of time to get better. I don't think learning boxing takes that long if your really top notch I don't think McGregor is but I don't think he's a complete joke for a smaller fourty year old fighter who might underestimate him or be a bit wary of his mma moves

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              • Mike D
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                Originally posted by Elroy The Great
                people are praying ''please let this be pac vs horn, pls let this be pac vs horn''
                Any Floyd haters who are hoping for this would be basically rooting for the death of the sport of boxing. Boxing's credibility is already in the sewers...but if some novice 0-0 barely amateur level "boxer" comes in and gives Floyd hell, or God forbid beats him, I honestly don't see any conceivable way the sport survives such a thing.

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                • -Antonio-
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                  He's going to be difficult at first because he is rangy and he DOES have some skill. He can labf thst left hand with pretty good timing and precision.

                  When I say at first though I mean maybe the first 3 rounds at best. And Floyd will still probably win those rounds, I just think we might see him take at least one big punch and Conor might get off a partially blocked flurry that makes the crowd go crazy.

                  I don't buy the power thing that much in boxing with 10 ounce gloves and a moving target. Conor has landed flush before and not hurt the guy. They make it seem like he has Julian Jackson type power. Sure there is a small chance he rocks Floyd since Floyd has almost always been the longer guy and HE IS 40.

                  But seriously after the first few rounds it should be target practice. ESPECIALLY with the check hook. If Conor starts getting aggressive there is no way Floyd won't land that at will. Conor leans in with his left and he is not as quick as Pacquiao to move out of the way.

                  By the middle rounds when Conor is tires Floyd will start to time that right hand and it's going to be embarrassing. I'm expecting Conor's corner to stop the fight in the 9th or 10th.

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                  • -Antonio-
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mike D
                    Any Floyd haters who are hoping for this would be basically rooting for the death of the sport of boxing. Boxing's credibility is already in the sewers...but if some novice 0-0 barely amateur level "boxer" comes in and gives Floyd hell, or God forbid beats him, I honestly don't see any conceivable way the sport survives such a thing.
                    I feel the same exact way. I'm worried for boxing. It's bad enough I have to hear about it being dead nearly once a week.

                    The people rooting for Conor either weren't true boxing fans, or they are siding with their race. Period.

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