The UFC will get into promoting Boxing soon -- Call me crazy but...

[USMCer]

Lue dibella promotes most pbc cards haymon is just the manager.

Yeah... what of it?

Dana White promotes UFC cards
Scott Coker promotes Bellator cards

And the individual MMA fighters are represented by their different managers.

[-Kev-]

How does PBC do it?

The structure is different in Boxing than it is in MMA/the UFC, but there's still money being made.

The UFC's TV contract coming up soon, they might make themselves more attractive with Boxing in their portfolio. Long-game, to become the "go-to" brand for the fight game, for combat sports. And you can't do that without Boxing.

PBC pays a lot of money to their fighters. They make 6 digits at worst, the top guys can reach $1mill. UFC does not do this at all. Have you seen their PPV payouts for every fighter?

This is UFC 405:

Main Card (FOX Sports 1)

Kevin Lee ($44,000 + $44,000 = $88,000) def. Michael Chiesa ($36,000)

Tim Boetsch ($67,000 + $67,000 = $134,000) def. Johny Hendricks ($100,000)

Felice Herrig ($25,000 + $25,000 = $50,000) def. Justine Kish ($14,000)

Dominick Reyes ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Joachim Christensen ($16,000)

Tim Means ($39,000 + $39,000 = $78,000) def. Alex Garcia ($31,000)

Dennis Siver ($39,000 + $39,000 = $78,000) def. B.J. Penn ($150,000)

https://www.mmamania.com/2017/6/27/1...oma-siver-loss

3 fighters made at the very low end of 6 digits, $150k, $134k, $100k. I imagine they have a team to feed, fees to pay and finally taxes they'll owe. Their take home pay is pathetic.

One guy in that "main card" received $12k with another $12k bonus.

Dana White can probably recruit the lowest of the low boxers and hype them up and pay them $30-100k but he can't get the top guys to join with that platform. He will have to shell out real money.

[USMCer]

LOL it ain't got anything to do with a brand. There are a million brands in boxing.

Here's the MAA act:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hr1832/text

Here's a story about the UFC lobbying against the Ali Act being enforced in the MMA world cuz it would f#ck up their sh^t if it passes
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https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/6/1...-extension-act

Two different matters that converge...

- What exactly in the Ali Act would deter the UFC/WME from getting into promoting Boxing?

- There are big-time players making major investments in trying to establish themselves as 'the brand' in Boxing (look at PBC and WBSS)

So ultimately, no matter what the Ali Act does, there is still big money getting into Boxing. Even if the Ali Act makes things more restrictive in Boxing than in MMA, there is still money to be made. And it seems that like the Al Haymon's and Richard Schaefer's are borrowing from MMA/the UFC... trying to establish thee brand in Boxing.

Who's better at branding than the UFC/WME... is what they might be thinking... Ali Act or not, we could "be" Boxing too.

You say 'There are millions of brands in Boxing'... EXACTLY!
Establishing "thee" brand in Boxing would be huge.

The race is on.



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[Eff Pandas]

Two different matters that converge...

- What exactly in the Ali Act would deter the UFC/WME from getting into promoting Boxing?

- There are big-time players making major investments in trying to establish themselves as 'the brand' in Boxing (look at PBC and WBSS)

So ultimately, no matter what the Ali Act does, there is still big money getting into Boxing. Even if the Ali Act makes things more restrictive in Boxing than in MMA, there is still money to be made. And it seems that like the Al Haymon's and Richard Schaefer's are borrowing from MMA/the UFC... trying to establish thee brand in Boxing.

Who's better at branding than the UFC/WME... is what they might be thinking... Ali Act or not, we could "be" Boxing too.

You say 'There are millions of brands in Boxing'... EXACTLY!
Establishing "thee" brand in Boxing would be huge.

The race is on.



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Read the bill. There is a reason the UFC is trying to kill the Muhammad Ali Act covering MMA guys & all the fighters want it. There are a few things in there that would be problematic for the UFC & how they operate.

The main thing I'd say is they'd have to discuss to the fighters how much money they are making which is something they've been EXTREMELY against in the UFC. Maybe #2 is they couldn't have their own belt. Contracts rules might be #3. Idk its all debatable with what thing is worse, but there is a ton of sh^t in there the UFC doesn't wanna deal with for the money they'd be getting.

And the boxing business is ENTIRELY the opposite as the MMA business. The speculation is that MMA guys get 20% of the money & in boxing boxers get 80% of the money so promoters take a hell of a paycut in boxing.

[hectari]

Zuffa Boxing


They selling them on Reebok

[elfag]

Richard Schaefer talking why he formed this World Boxing Super Series

- "I've promoted many of Floyd Mayweather fights, Oscar De La Hoya's, and so many others. But I have to tell you this beats them all. This has the opportunity to become the brand in the sport of Boxing. A kind of tournament where fighters really wants to participate in because it elevates their exposure, it will elevate their career"
- @ 5:47:50 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J65xNgRFe_U


Matthew Hooper
- "The idea started when the founders looked at what was missing in a sport that attracted huge audiences and multi-million dollar one-off fight nights. The answer was simple, 'No organized professional tournament'. Futbol has the hugely successful Champions League in Europe, Tennis has the Grand Slams, Golf has the Majors, Motor Racing has Forumal-1, Cycling has the Tour de France. We will bring together the best Boxers, the biggest arenas, and $50,000,000 will be the greatest annual prize in Boxing..."

I can see people staying outside of this if it requires a long term contract, the same way some guys drop belts because they dont want to pay the fees ect. If others have better deals then they will stay out of it. wonder if haymond is going to be involved or if he will compete with haymond? also this 50 million tournament, i mean that can only be one prize, at what weight class then? that will only incentivize a small group to join

[Eff Pandas]

I can see people staying outside of this if it requires a long term contract, the same way some guys drop belts because they dont want to pay the fees ect. If others have better deals then they will stay out of it. wonder if haymond is going to be involved or if he will compete with haymond? also this 50 million tournament, i mean that can only be one prize, at what weight class then? that will only incentivize a small group to join

The WBSS just requires a fighter to fight 3 or less times in the WBSS show. Then they go back to their own promoter or whatever situation they happen to have going on.

And its incentivized to cover virtually all fighters already. Everyone in this year is getting career high paydays the WBSS has been quoted as saying so thats solid out of the gate. And there is a $1M win bonus for their first fight, $1.5M bonus for their semifinals bout + a $2M win bonus for the finals. The winner will reportedly be taking home about $10M between their purses for those three fights + the $4.5M win bonuses.

So the only people who avoid this tournament are the big big names (Canelo, Joshua, Pacquiao...etc) or guys who are in line for a nice payday in their next fight & maybe question the rish in this tournament vs guaranteed money or less risk for the money outside of this tournament I'd argue.

[maracho]

Although I dont trust any promoter, I think Dana White could pull it off and seemingly bring more honesty than others. However, after he strays from him being the main boss, he may succumb to the problems of being able to blame any corruption on bureaucracy

[maracho]

Read the bill. There is a reason the UFC is trying to kill the Muhammad Ali Act covering MMA guys & all the fighters want it. There are a few things in there that would be problematic for the UFC & how they operate.

The main thing I'd say is they'd have to discuss to the fighters how much money they are making which is something they've been EXTREMELY against in the UFC. Maybe #2 is they couldn't have their own belt. Contracts rules might be #3. Idk its all debatable with what thing is worse, but there is a ton of sh^t in there the UFC doesn't wanna deal with for the money they'd be getting.

And the boxing business is ENTIRELY the opposite as the MMA business. The speculation is that MMA guys get 20% of the money & in boxing boxers get 80% of the money so promoters take a hell of a paycut in boxing.

Id like to know more about why they are against the Ali Act but the main thing now is that its not really enforced. As in most governing bodies, the regulators get to many kickbacks from the lobbies/promoters.

The corruption among boxing governing bodies is a microcosm of our Federal and State governments--so much bureaucracy that no one is ever really held ultimately responsible. The Federal United States Attorney General empowers the state attorney generals who in turn allow state commission implementation and oversight.

What I think McCain and others initially attempted to do was implement a federal commissioner directly appointed by the president more direct control over boxing promoters, television networks, casinos, refs, etc..

This is why a Dana White type of system could be much better. Less weak links in the chain could make sense

[Bjl12]

UFC has a great model and I strongly support it taking over WBC/WBA/WBO/IBF dogshit "committees"