Anthony Joshua Reveals How A Fight With Mike Tyson Would Go

[PRINCEKOOL]

Anthony Joshua vs Mike Tyson would be similar to Mike Tyson vs Razor Ruddock I! Stylistically even though Joshua is a super heavyweight? He prefers to fight on the inside, pretty much like Rid**** Bowe! (This is not a good idea against Mike Tyson! It would be a action packed fight, but Tyson would just be landng too much!)...

[juggernaut666]

Are you saying the weight helps you absorb shots better or hit harder? When Bruno fought a faded Mike he weighed in at 247lbs.As big as Joshua weight wise and very little fat. The weight didn't help him absorb the shots any better. He didn't hit any harder and was out of there two rounds quicker than the first time. What is it you think the weight achieves?

So were back to using Tyson as the measuring stick ? As ive already stated you will use certain fights to try and counte argue ,but anyone whos actually fought would know weight helps with taking more repeated blows ,i could give DOZENS exampls ,but like i said im not going to write an essay on it .

Though the one modern example i'll use is Breazeale at 260 defeating Izu at 235 who hits like a truck. Ask Breazeale if he the weight didnt help him? Foreman HIMSELF has admitted that adding on his weight helped him even out things with more skilled guys !!!!!!!!!!!

How do you know Bruno didnt hit harder when he weighed more than he did in the 80's ? You are aware he buckled Tyson right ?

I can see Whyte just fine on T.V ,if you think thats alot of fat (hes FAR from it ) what do you think out of prime Tubbs was when he took Bowe the distance ? lol What bout Foreman and Bowe two guys clearly who were softer around the mid sections ?

Youve pretty much ignored everything i said relevant to the match which i even broke down and your still rambling on about things i covered already the hard fact for you guys is Klitchko at any age from 30 to present would be Tyson best win you guys just dont get it .Im out !

[WhatDisButtonDo]

These new heavyweights are big but lack skill. Even Ali,Foreman and etc, while certainly larger than the average man by a decent margin, weren't humongous. This along with a laundry list of reasons are why the heavyweight division is my least favorite. Also , just a random note. Heavyweights aren't supposed to be on the P4P list folks,by sheer size they're the best fighters on the planet. P4P is meant for Lightheavyweight and below. Also HW's never have as much skill as lower weight divisions

[bluepete]

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So were back to using Tyson as the measuring stick ? As ive already stated you will use certain fights to try and counte argue ,but anyone whos actually fought would know weight helps with taking more repeated blows ,i could give DOZENS exampls ,but like i said im not going to write an essay on it .

Though the one modern example i'll use is Breazeale at 260 defeating Izu at 235 who hits like a truck. Ask Breazeale if he the weight didnt help him? Foreman HIMSELF has admitted that adding on his weight helped him even out things with more skilled guys !!!!!!!!!!!

How do you know Bruno didnt hit harder when he weighed more than he did in the 80's ? You are aware he buckled Tyson right ?

I can see Whyte just fine on T.V ,if you think thats alot of fat (hes FAR from it ) what do you think out of prime Tubbs was when he took Bowe the distance ? lol What bout Foreman and Bowe two guys clearly who were softer around the mid sections ?

Youve pretty much ignored everything i said relevant to the match which i even broke down and your still rambling on about things i covered already the hard fact for you guys is Klitchko at any age from 30 to present would be Tyson best win you guys just dont get it .Im out !

See I have a actually fought as well as spared fighters of various weights. Weight doesn't equal punching power or chin. Of course Tyson is a measuring stick in a fantasy fight of which he is a part. Youve seen Whyte on TV and I've seen him in the gym. He's 20lb more than he should be, which is why he's stamina isn't that good even against a shot Chisora. This is the same Chisora who went the distance against various 240lbders but got knocked out in 5 against 220lb Haye. It didn't help he's punch resistance there did it? You've just made my exact point with regards to Bruno. Let's say for arguments sake he could hot harder on the pads at 247 than he did at 220.So what? It didn't translate in the fight did it. The fight he buckled Tyson in was the first one in which he weighed 220 odd pounds. He also managed to go to the fifth. In the rematch, with 20lbs of extra muscle that you think is so important on him he made no impression on Mike at all, and got stopped quicker, with less punches.Where was the extra punch resistance then? Don't compare Whyte to Tubbs. Tubbs was far more skilled. The critique of him was always he was abit too fat. But guess what? The better skilled fighter coped with super heavy Bowe just fine. The smaller, faster Tyson crushed him in two. The weight doesn't translate to punch resistance. It doesn't give you more power. And it doesn't help you find a guy with good head movement. It actually slows you down and saps your stamina. Are you saying old George was better than young George? He was a great fighter in he's prime at 225.Still great on he's come back but was beaten by Morrison, Briggs and bashed up bus Stewart. How about Bowe. Was he better at 226 in Holyfield one or 240lb plus in the rematch when he was beat by 215lb Holyfield? These examples are endless. Extra muscle, or extra fat, anything above 220 or 230 is not an advantage.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I gave Tyson the slight edge here right now ,it really doesnt matter what fighters say , Joshua thinks Fury is a walk in the park and likes that match up, Fury thinks hes the best ever and no one undetr 6'4 has a chance , Wilder has stated hes better than Louis and Foreman thinks Ortiz is better than he was .M. Tyson thinks Ali would beat him and vice versa etc etc .........fighters generally arent going to come out and put themselves over past ones .

Really the best opinion is ones who trained 2 guys or been around them . The fight itself is not a mismatch ,how could it be ? In Tysons prime he never fought anyone over 6'3 like Joshua ! The best way to compare a fight is actually looking at attributes and skills along with the fights of each ,not just a name , thisis RARE from fans bc they are caught up in nostalgic history .

One could reasonably argue that Mike Tyson would be nothing more than a minor irritant / nuisance to some of the biggest top modern heavyweights in size like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. This mainly stems from the fact that Mike Tyson's knockout power looked significantly ineffective against modern sized heavyweights on a consistent basis. Thus, it's debatable if Mike Tyson even has the power to KO someone with the size + skill of Anthony Joshua or even hurt him easily. It's also debatable that Anthony Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Mike Tyson's punches and then just simply destroy him. Mike Tyson's failure to barely even put a dent on the likes of Danny Williams and Brian Nielsen (2 guys over 250 pounds) supports this possibility.

To me, this is a near mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua. Any version of Mike Tyson gets totally obliterated in probably the first round, simply because I don't think Mike Tyson has the single punch power to hurt Anthony Joshua enough to discourage him from attacking. The fact that Danny Williams (a 250+ pound bum) walked through multiple of Mike Tyson's hardest punches without going down is evidence that Anthony Joshua (a 250+ pound skilled heavyweight) is likely to be able to do the same, but whilst being far more effective offensively and defensively.

So my verdict on this fight is a brutal knockout victory for Anthony Joshua inside 1-3 rounds. I doubt Mike Tyson is even going to see past the first round in all honesty.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Are you saying the weight helps you absorb shots better or hit harder? When Bruno fought a faded Mike he weighed in at 247lbs.As big as Joshua weight wise and very little fat. The weight didn't help him absorb the shots any better. He didn't hit any harder and was out of there two rounds quicker than the first time. What is it you think the weight achieves?

Actually, facts and evidence indicate that when everything else is equal, the heavier boxer will have greater consistent punching power and punch resistance. Weight divisions exist in the first place for this particular reason, which is because if everything else is equal, the heavier boxer will have more punching power and punch resistance.

In other words, the most powerful puncher at heavyweight will be a more powerful puncher than the most powerful punchers below heavyweight. An average power of a heavyweight will also be greater compared to the average power of a sub heavyweight boxer. The applies to punch resistance as well. Otherwise, there'd be no reason for having weight divisions.

Even at heavyweight, the heavier boxer will have advantages in punching power and punch resistance over the lighter heavyweight boxer when everything else is relatively even.

Mike Tyson's career knockout percentage is a very strong example which supports the idea / notion / conclusion that heavier boxers have greater punch resistance on average than lighter boxers.

Mike Tyson's KO statistics for his whole / entire career against opposition of various different weight range:

1) Against opponents weighing between 180 - 199 pounds, Mike Tyson had a 100% knockout record.

2) Against opponents weighing between 200 - 214 pounds, Mike Tyson had a 91% knockout record.

3) Against opponents weighing between 215-229 pounds, Mike Tyson had a knockout record of 83%.

4) Against opponents weighing above 230 pounds, Mike Tyson had a knockout record of only 64%.

These stats are conclusive. As opponents became heavier, Mike Tyson's knockout percentage got lesser and lesser.

Of course, you can find exceptions where Mike Tyson (unusually) knocks out a very heavy opponent or type of opponent, but that's not the norm.

The same thing can be done with Manny Pacquiao. He was a consistent knockout artist / puncher below welterweight. However, as soon as he arrived at the welterweight division, the same punches which were knocking opponents out cold were simply bouncing off his opponent's body with relatively lesser effect. A good example is Manny Pacquiao against Ricky Hatton and Antonio Margarito. Pacquiao landed one clean left hook on Ricky Hatton in the 2 round and he was knocked out cold. On the other hand, Manny landed many of those punches repeatedly on Antonio Margarito's chin and he couldn't even drop him. Do you want to know why? It's because of the weight difference between those two opponents.

The exact same thing can also be done with Floyd Mayweather Jr. Mayweather was also a consistent knockout artist, consistently stopping opponents before he became a welterweight. However, as soon as he became a welterweight, his knockout percentage suffered the same fate as Manny Pacquiao.

Even Evander Holyfield's record at cruiserweight and heavyweight proves the significance of weight when it comes to punching power and punch resistance. Holyfield had a KO percentage above 80%. However, his knockout percentage at heavyweight was an appalling / abysmal 38% (less than Chris Byrd).

So all in all, there's enough evidence to suggest that weight improves punching power and punch resistance. You can always find exceptions, such as Mike Tyson knocking out an unusually heavy opponent like Frank Bruno or Floyd Mayweather Jr knocking out an unusually heavy opponent like Victor Ortiz. However, they are exceptions and not the norm. In normal circumstances, such boxers will more often fail to KO opponents of such a weight than succeed. Just because they manage it once doesn't mean it becomes the norm.

[bluepete]

Actually, facts and evidence indicate that when everything else is equal, the heavier boxer will have greater consistent punching power and punch resistance. Weight divisions exist in the first place for this particular reason, which is because if everything else is equal, the heavier boxer will have more punching power and punch resistance.

In other words, the most powerful puncher at heavyweight will be a more powerful puncher than the most powerful punchers below heavyweight. An average power of a heavyweight will also be greater compared to the average power of a sub heavyweight boxer. The applies to punch resistance as well. Otherwise, there'd be no reason for having weight divisions.

Even at heavyweight, the heavier boxer will have advantages in punching power and punch resistance over the lighter heavyweight boxer when everything else is relatively even.

Mike Tyson's career knockout percentage is a very strong example which supports the idea / notion / conclusion that heavier boxers have greater punch resistance on average than lighter boxers.

Mike Tyson's KO statistics for his whole / entire career against opposition of various different weight range:

1) Against opponents weighing between 180 - 199 pounds, Mike Tyson had a 100% knockout record.

2) Against opponents weighing between 200 - 214 pounds, Mike Tyson had a 91% knockout record.

3) Against opponents weighing between 215-229 pounds, Mike Tyson had a knockout record of 83%.

4) Against opponents weighing above 230 pounds, Mike Tyson had a knockout record of only 64%.

These stats are conclusive. As opponents became heavier, Mike Tyson's knockout percentage got lesser and lesser.

Of course, you can find exceptions where Mike Tyson (unusually) knocks out a very heavy opponent or type of opponent, but that's not the norm.

The same thing can be done with Manny Pacquiao. He was a consistent knockout artist / puncher below welterweight. However, as soon as he arrived at the welterweight division, the same punches which were knocking opponents out cold were simply bouncing off his opponent's body with relatively lesser effect. A good example is Manny Pacquiao against Ricky Hatton and Antonio Margarito. Pacquiao landed one clean left hook on Ricky Hatton in the 2 round and he was knocked out cold. On the other hand, Manny landed many of those punches repeatedly on Antonio Margarito's chin and he couldn't even drop him. Do you want to know why? It's because of the weight difference between those two opponents.

The exact same thing can also be done with Floyd Mayweather Jr. Mayweather was also a consistent knockout artist, consistently stopping opponents before he became a welterweight. However, as soon as he became a welterweight, his knockout percentage suffered the same fate as Manny Pacquiao.

Even Evander Holyfield's record at cruiserweight and heavyweight proves the significance of weight when it comes to punching power and punch resistance. Holyfield had a KO percentage above 80%. However, his knockout percentage at heavyweight was an appalling / abysmal 38% (less than Chris Byrd).

So all in all, there's enough evidence to suggest that weight improves punching power and punch resistance. You can always find exceptions, such as Mike Tyson knocking out an unusually heavy opponent like Frank Bruno or Floyd Mayweather Jr knocking out an unusually heavy opponent like Victor Ortiz. However, they are exceptions and not the norm. In normal circumstances, such boxers will more often fail to KO opponents of such a weight than succeed. Just because they manage it once doesn't mean it becomes the norm.

In regard to heavyweight boxing, there is no demonstrable evidence to prove that being a 240lb heavyweight affords any advantage over being around the 220lbmark.Its very different than the lighter divisions. There are many factors at play when you start talking about knockout percentages, such as not all knockouts being the result of power. Now, I was responding to someone who thinks that Joshua having 20 plus pounds on the eighties era heavies of a similar height affords him some sort of superiority over them. As far as punch resistance, being heavier absolutely does not help in the heavyweight division. We've had 16 Stone David Tua, 15stone Holyfield and 226lb Oliver Mccall with granite chins. We've had 240lbders Wlad and Lennox with far more shaky chins. James Toney still had a great chin at heavy. A good chin is a good chin. Power is the same. Do you think the Lewis who smashed Ruddock at 227lb didn't hit as hard as the 247lb Lewis of later in he's career? Did he's chin change from being knocked down against Mccall, to flattened by Rahman? There are plenty of examples of sub 16stone heavies flattening 18 stoners. Its just not a relevant advantage in actual fights. Talking the lower weight classes it's normally frame that makes the difference. If your gonna chuck Broner in with Charlo. The size and range would be a big disadvantage there. But big frames didn't bother Tyson, and in the heavyweight division, if your a puncher at 220 you can take anyone out. If your carrying an extra 25lbs of fat or muscle it costs energy. These are 10 or 12rounders.When your tired you lose durability and become more susceptible to being knocked out. Look at Haye Chisora compared to Whyte Chisora. Whyte might have got Derrick out of there if he hadn't been gassed. The bottom line is Joshua would not have been able to use he's weight as any advantage over Prime Mike. And it's laughable to think he'd have outlasted him . Your stats on Mike versus heavier men are not taking into account that the heaviest men he fought, Lewis and particularly Williams and Mcbride were when Mike was finished. The very light guys also were at novice level, in Mikes first fights. Let's use a practical instead. How did he do against a smaller, more mobile Holyfield? How did he do against the 6 foot 4, muscular Golota. The superheavy didn't even hit him.

[bluepete]

One could reasonably argue that Mike Tyson would be nothing more than a minor irritant / nuisance to some of the biggest top modern heavyweights in size like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. This mainly stems from the fact that Mike Tyson's knockout power looked significantly ineffective against modern sized heavyweights on a consistent basis. Thus, it's debatable if Mike Tyson even has the power to KO someone with the size + skill of Anthony Joshua or even hurt him easily. It's also debatable that Anthony Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Mike Tyson's punches and then just simply destroy him. Mike Tyson's failure to barely even put a dent on the likes of Danny Williams and Brian Nielsen (2 guys over 250 pounds) supports this possibility.

To me, this is a near mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua. Any version of Mike Tyson gets totally obliterated in probably the first round, simply because I don't think Mike Tyson has the single punch power to hurt Anthony Joshua enough to discourage him from attacking. The fact that Danny Williams (a 250+ pound bum) walked through multiple of Mike Tyson's hardest punches without going down is evidence that Anthony Joshua (a 250+ pound skilled heavyweight) is likely to be able to do the same, but whilst being far more effective offensively and defensively.

So my verdict on this fight is a brutal knockout victory for Anthony Joshua inside 1-3 rounds. I doubt Mike Tyson is even going to see past the first round in all honesty.

You seriously comparing a one legged totally shot Tyson who fought Williams to him in he's prime. The heavier fighters he failed to stop was because he had no condition because he was shot. How did he do against Golota and Saverese when he was still half decent? He's head movement cancels out Joshua's power. Whyte wobbled Joshua. Tyson knocks him out.

[juggernaut666]

One could reasonably argue that Mike Tyson would be nothing more than a minor irritant / nuisance to some of the biggest top modern heavyweights in size like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. This mainly stems from the fact that Mike Tyson's knockout power looked significantly ineffective against modern sized heavyweights on a consistent basis. Thus, it's debatable if Mike Tyson even has the power to KO someone with the size + skill of Anthony Joshua or even hurt him easily. It's also debatable that Anthony Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Mike Tyson's punches and then just simply destroy him. Mike Tyson's failure to barely even put a dent on the likes of Danny Williams and Brian Nielsen (2 guys over 250 pounds) supports this possibility.

To me, this is a near mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua. Any version of Mike Tyson gets totally obliterated in probably the first round, simply because I don't think Mike Tyson has the single punch power to hurt Anthony Joshua enough to discourage him from attacking. The fact that Danny Williams (a 250+ pound bum) walked through multiple of Mike Tyson's hardest punches without going down is evidence that Anthony Joshua (a 250+ pound skilled heavyweight) is likely to be able to do the same, but whilst being far more effective offensively and defensively.

So my verdict on this fight is a brutal knockout victory for Anthony Joshua inside 1-3 rounds. I doubt Mike Tyson is even going to see past the first round in all honesty.

"One could reasonably argue that Mike Tyson would be nothing more than a minor irritant / nuisance to some of the biggest top modern heavyweights in size like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. "

Well you COULD but that would be foolish.

"This mainly stems from the fact that Mike Tyson's knockout power looked significantly ineffective against modern sized heavyweights on a consistent basis. Thus, it's debatable if Mike Tyson even has the power to KO someone with the size + skill of Anthony Joshua or even hurt him easily. "

Its not debatable at all,( skills dont lie) Tyson EASILY hits harder than anyone Joshua has fought or probably will. you can take a less effective Tyson like say Holyfield but thats not what we are doing here.Even so the upper cut he buckled Holy with would n=knock out most and we all know Holy was roided up with already a great PROVEN chin.

'To me, this is a near mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua.'

This simply isnt true bc Tyson is a bit sharper on the counter punching and faster...power is debatable ...this is as tough as it gets. Tyson is MUCH better than you rank him.No one in HW history had his equal of power /speed and hes the best defensive fighter of all time...while Joshua thinks he has no chance against Tyson himself...i would caution joshua would be by far his most dangerous opponent.Even if he doesnt think so......


"So my verdict on this fight is a brutal knockout victory for Anthony Joshua inside 1-3 rounds. I doubt Mike Tyson is even going to see past the first round in all honesty."

If thats the case its bc both are going for the knockout in fast fashion...Joshua is a CAUTIOUS first fighter...Tyson would bethe favored to end this early bc he BETTER at initiating the first blow and is a better finisher than even Joshua. Theres no way you can tell me this is a mismatch when they both have great ability to end fights .


Your the exact opposite of blue pete who doesn't grasp how good AJ is and you dont with Tyson...both you guys are wrong.

I would only give Joshua a slight edge when i see him at 95%...hes about 90% now in his overall ability.I still need to see a bit more...by no stretch is this a one sided fight,Tyson is too on point( PRIME) and Joshua has all the talent in the world at 6'6 which COULD help nullify him.

[juggernaut666]

Actually, facts and evidence indicate that when everything else is equal, the heavier boxer will have greater consistent punching power and punch resistance. Weight divisions exist in the first place for this particular reason, which is because if everything else is equal, the heavier boxer will have more punching power and punch resistance.

In other words, the most powerful puncher at heavyweight will be a more powerful puncher than the most powerful punchers below heavyweight. An average power of a heavyweight will also be greater compared to the average power of a sub heavyweight boxer. The applies to punch resistance as well. Otherwise, there'd be no reason for having weight divisions.

Even at heavyweight, the heavier boxer will have advantages in punching power and punch resistance over the lighter heavyweight boxer when everything else is relatively even.

Mike Tyson's career knockout percentage is a very strong example which supports the idea / notion / conclusion that heavier boxers have greater punch resistance on average than lighter boxers.

Mike Tyson's KO statistics for his whole / entire career against opposition of various different weight range:

1) Against opponents weighing between 180 - 199 pounds, Mike Tyson had a 100% knockout record.

2) Against opponents weighing between 200 - 214 pounds, Mike Tyson had a 91% knockout record.

3) Against opponents weighing between 215-229 pounds, Mike Tyson had a knockout record of 83%.

4) Against opponents weighing above 230 pounds, Mike Tyson had a knockout record of only 64%.

These stats are conclusive. As opponents became heavier, Mike Tyson's knockout percentage got lesser and lesser.

Of course, you can find exceptions where Mike Tyson (unusually) knocks out a very heavy opponent or type of opponent, but that's not the norm.

The same thing can be done with Manny Pacquiao. He was a consistent knockout artist / puncher below welterweight. However, as soon as he arrived at the welterweight division, the same punches which were knocking opponents out cold were simply bouncing off his opponent's body with relatively lesser effect. A good example is Manny Pacquiao against Ricky Hatton and Antonio Margarito. Pacquiao landed one clean left hook on Ricky Hatton in the 2 round and he was knocked out cold. On the other hand, Manny landed many of those punches repeatedly on Antonio Margarito's chin and he couldn't even drop him. Do you want to know why? It's because of the weight difference between those two opponents.

The exact same thing can also be done with Floyd Mayweather Jr. Mayweather was also a consistent knockout artist, consistently stopping opponents before he became a welterweight. However, as soon as he became a welterweight, his knockout percentage suffered the same fate as Manny Pacquiao.

Even Evander Holyfield's record at cruiserweight and heavyweight proves the significance of weight when it comes to punching power and punch resistance. Holyfield had a KO percentage above 80%. However, his knockout percentage at heavyweight was an appalling / abysmal 38% (less than Chris Byrd).

So all in all, there's enough evidence to suggest that weight improves punching power and punch resistance. You can always find exceptions, such as Mike Tyson knocking out an unusually heavy opponent like Frank Bruno or Floyd Mayweather Jr knocking out an unusually heavy opponent like Victor Ortiz. However, they are exceptions and not the norm. In normal circumstances, such boxers will more often fail to KO opponents of such a weight than succeed. Just because they manage it once doesn't mean it becomes the norm.

"Actually, facts and evidence indicate that when everything else is equal, the heavier boxer will have greater consistent punching power and punch resistance. "

This is true. And sometime dont have to be equal such as the Breazeale who weighed over 260 vs Izu who was 230 and landing crushing shots to Breazeale yet tired out doing so against an inferior talent and still lost ( a prediction i also made and was told i knew nothing about boxing on here and by SO called you tube experts ? SMH

Lewis himself ate some shots from Tyson when weighing 250 he also weighed around that PURPOSELY for Vitali bc he SELF said (he wanted to match him physically,and he did).and even Holmes stated in the Witherspoon win ,had he weighed more than what was about 210/213 he would not have struggled for that fight....

im not even going to argue or explain things with that other guy bc he doesnt get it. Heaven FORBID if i told him the difference between 70's Foreman and 90's ,on top of that his post style causes migraines of reading one giant sentance ...lol


You simply CANT use Tyson as a measuring stick though.....he had the tools and cornerman to beat anyone at any given time. One could see the differance in Joshsua's power punching from 235 to over 245 from 2 years ago.His speed declined slightly but the guy is a true SHW,i like him about 245.