Anthony Joshua Reveals How A Fight With Mike Tyson Would Go

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Get out of here with your straw man. Bruno had just come off he's best win in the mid 90s, and Tyson wasn't long from a prison sentence. So they were both later in the day. Tyson certainly wasn't as technical as under Rooney, or even for Bruno one. But Bruno made alot of the fact that he was bigger and stronger than ever, two stone heavier, and then it didn't do anything for him, in either terms of durability, or in terms of offence.All it did was make him slower and unlike the first fight, unable to land anything on Tyson at all. This against, like you say, a LESS technical Tyson. Lewis got heavier later in he's career, so did Foreman, naturally because they were older. Lewis became a better fighter because he had Emanuel Steward. The same Steward that said the fluid boxing 226lb Lewis of the Olympics was hes ideal model of a heavyweight. Did you know sub 17stone Lewis never lost and was never floored? He came in at 17 for Mccall one, got stopped. Now he did get better under Steward defensively. He got heavier as he aged. But remember Rahman one. Came in heavy again, 250plus for that one. Looked bad before he got knocked out. He's performance didn't get better because of weight. In fact, the heavier he was the more susceptible to getting knocked out he was. . Foreman got heavier because he got older, he took alot of shots off of Holyfield, but he defended well with the Moore inspired cross arm defence and did well because he was a tough durable fighter. He lost nearly every round. Do you think he'd have been shut out in he's 16stone prime? Do you think he'd have been unable to take Holyfields punches? He said himself he wanted to get down to 230,and he tried for the Qawi fight, because he felt he had better skills lighter, but he couldn't give up the food he needed for recovery. Yeah Wlad bulked up for he's later career. It didn't help he's durability. Steward helped him skill wise. He still got stopped by Brewster when he was heavier. The fight where Holyfield defeated Bowe, the rematch, Holyfield came in at 218! Bowe was on the 240s again! See how this works? Bowe added nearly twenty pounds from fight one. So you want to use Holyfield as a good example of weight gain helping, but you don't like it when I, like right here, will use Bowe as an example of why weight gain won't help. The Bowe of the first fight was better than any other Bowe fight. Lighter, faster, fought at a high pace. Could take a shot and give one. Look at round eleven. Look at the output. Punched the whole round in a way that oversized heavies only dream of, against a fighter who was still near he's prime, undefeated and fighting back. Joshua, or any fighter can weight what they want. Does it give them an advantage in taking shots? Nope. It's funny how you assumed I'd never been in there, but in there, and in gyms amongst good heavies from my teenage years with people like the Simms who ran the Lynn, who now work with Joshua, to Danny Williams and Henry Akinwande, to right up close with Dillian Whyte at Keddles, to getting punched for 20 years have shown me all the theory means nothing. Your chin is your chin. I've seen heavy muscular men smashed by supermiddles on sparring, layed out through headguards, because speed and condition trumps weight and bulk any day. You want to disregard every real life living breathing example I give you of why a guy below 230 has every advantage, all things being equal, and that bigger brings diminishing returns, but that's something precious to you obviously. It still ain't true. Danny Williams said himself that he thought coming in heavier for Vitali would help he's durability, but all it did was make it harder to get out the way. It doesn't work in real life. Joshuas extra 25lbs is he's choice, doesn't afford him any advantage. Sapps hes stamina after flurries and he stays lactic for some time after. I'd expect a 230lb Joshua to be better. He don't need 19inch biceps. Wilder is poorly skilled but hits as hard and is abit taller. It wouldnt take away Joshs power. It would help he's mobilty and stamina. Watch and see at who eventually takes Anthony out and why they did it. Faster, lighter more mobile. I bet ya.Btw, how has David Price done since he decided to put on extra weight for durability "?. Gassing out so bad he gets stopped by low level journeymen. Did it help he's chin? Is he's power overwhelming everyone like he, himself, thought it would? Nope, it's a cardio game.

"Bruno had just come off he's best win in the mid 90s, and Tyson wasn't long from a prison sentence. So they were both later in the day."

Nonsense AGAIN . Only a fool would argue Bruno who started his career in the early 80's had less mileage than Tyson in 96 . Bruno was not fast to begin with ,his best days were not remotley when he fought Tyson in the rematch .What Brunos win over McCall DOES show is how being almost 250 would defeat a same level fighter and SUPPORT what im telling you , M.Tyson does NOT prove anything once again here .


. "Lewis got heavier later in he's career, so did Foreman, naturally because they were older. Lewis became a better fighter because he had Emanuel Steward. The same Steward that said the fluid boxing 226lb Lewis of the Olympics was hes ideal model of a heavyweight. Did you know sub 17stone Lewis never lost and was never floored? "

More B.S Lewis put on size bc he was having trouble knocking guys out easy like he should have (you would know this if you actually watched his early fights and around his 19th fight he switched trainers when failing to k.o Billups a small faded journyman ) I used to watch Lewis lift weights in the Pocono MT.s . Do you think that was coincidence in the early 90's when he was ADDING mass to improve himself ? SMH

Foreman had an ENTIRELY different build than his 70's years that HE TOOK OFF 10 years which did coincide with age however his added mass made him that much harder to hurt ,if you cant see that you are blind !

"Did you know sub 17stone Lewis never lost and was never floored? He came in at 17 for Mccall one, got stopped. Now he did get better under Steward defensively. He got heavier as he aged. But remember Rahman one. Came in heavy again, 250plus for that one. Looked bad before he got knocked out. He's performance didn't get better because of weight. In fact, the heavier he was the more susceptible to getting knocked out he was. . "

This is pure comedy right here ...Lewis got stopped bc Emmanual Steward was McCalls trainer and was waiting on that right counter ,nothing more . Lewis came in bigger and stronger WITH Steward for the rematch which he would have won under any circumstances .Rahman he clowned around with ,it was OBVIOUS he was going to win the rematch . Everything you stated makes no sense here other than under Steward he got better defensively .



"The fight where Holyfield defeated Bowe, the rematch, Holyfield came in at 218! Bowe was on the 240s again! See how this works? Bowe added nearly twenty pounds from fight one. So you want to use Holyfield as a good example of weight gain helping, but you don't like it when I, like right here, will use Bowe as an example of why weight gain won't help. The Bowe of the first fight was better than any other Bowe fight. Lighter, faster, fought at a high pace. "

Bowe was NOT fit 240 plus fighter ,he looked good in fight one bc Holyfield was around 205 . You can TRY and twist it any way you like ,Holyfield was the more SKILLED fighter and when he weighed 218 he WON ,when he weighed less he LOST ,see thats how this REALLY works .


" Look at round eleven. Look at the output. Punched the whole round in a way that oversized heavies only dream of, against a fighter who was still near he's prime, undefeated and fighting back. Joshua, or any fighter can weight what they want. Does it give them an advantage in taking shots? Nope. It's funny how you assumed I'd never been in there, but in there, and in gyms amongst good heavies from my teenage years with people like the Simms who ran the Lynn, who now work with Joshua, to Danny Williams and Henry Akinwande, to right up close with Dillian Whyte at Keddles, to getting punched for 20 years have shown me all the theory means nothing. Your chin is your chin. "

You still cant grasp that stamina comes from ACTUAL in ring experience and shots take stamina OUT of you ,exp fighters WOULD know this ,yet you dont and straw man arguments like the above are made !

Your chin is not your chin ,if that was the case fighters in even other weight classes wouldn't tryand rehydrate to a BIGGER size ...and they do so bc they KNOW being HEAVIER equals an advantage to take bigger shots and deliver them...this is boxing 101 !

" has David Price done since he decided to put on extra weight for durability "?. Gassing out so bad he gets stopped by low level journeymen. Did it help he's chin? Is he's power overwhelming everyone like he, himself, thought it would? Nope, it's a cardio game."

O.K now you're just getting ******ed ,i think ive wasted enough time here ,closing thoughts make a thread how Klitchko and co. do better at 225 ,see where that goes . lol

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"Bruno had just come off he's best win in the mid 90s, and Tyson wasn't long from a prison sentence. So they were both later in the day."

Nonsense AGAIN . Only a fool would argue Bruno who started his career in the early 80's had less mileage than Tyson in 96 . Bruno was not fast to begin with ,his best days were not remotley when he fought Tyson inthe rematch .


. "Lewis got heavier later in he's career, so did Foreman, naturally because they were older. Lewis became a better fighter because he had Emanuel Steward. The same Steward that said the fluid boxing 226lb Lewis of the Olympics was hes ideal model of a heavyweight. Did you know sub 17stone Lewis never lost and was never floored? "

More B.S Lewis put on size bc he was having trouble knocking guys out easy like he should have (you would know this if you actually watched his early fights and around his 19th fight he switched trainers when failing to k.o Billups a small faded journyman ) I used to watch Lewis lift weights in the Pocono MT.s . Do you think that was coincidence in the early 90's when he was ADDING mass ? SMH

Foreman had an ENTIRELY different build than his 70's years that HE TOOK OFF 10 years which did coincide with age however his added mass made him that much harder to hurt ,if you cant see that you are blind !

"Did you know sub 17stone Lewis never lost and was never floored? He came in at 17 for Mccall one, got stopped. Now he did get better under Steward defensively. He got heavier as he aged. But remember Rahman one. Came in heavy again, 250plus for that one. Looked bad before he got knocked out. He's performance didn't get better because of weight. In fact, the heavier he was the more susceptible to getting knocked out he was. . "

This is pure comedy right here ...Lewis got stopped bc Emmanual Steward was McCalls trainer and was waiting on that right counter ,nothing more . Lewis came in bigger and stronger WITH Steward for the rematch which he would have won under any circumstances .Rahman he clowned around with ,it was OBVIOUS he was going to win the rematch . Everything you stated makes no sense here other than under Steward he got better defensively .



"The fight where Holyfield defeated Bowe, the rematch, Holyfield came in at 218! Bowe was on the 240s again! See how this works? Bowe added nearly twenty pounds from fight one. So you want to use Holyfield as a good example of weight gain helping, but you don't like it when I, like right here, will use Bowe as an example of why weight gain won't help. The Bowe of the first fight was better than any other Bowe fight. Lighter, faster, fought at a high pace. "

Bowe was NOT fit 240 plus fighter ,he looked good in fight one bc Holyfield was around 205 . You can TRY and twist it any way you like ,Holyfield was the more SKILLED fighter and when he weighed 218 he WON ,when he weighed less he LOST ,see thats how this REALLY works .


" Look at round eleven. Look at the output. Punched the whole round in a way that oversized heavies only dream of, against a fighter who was still near he's prime, undefeated and fighting back. Joshua, or any fighter can weight what they want. Does it give them an advantage in taking shots? Nope. It's funny how you assumed I'd never been in there, but in there, and in gyms amongst good heavies from my teenage years with people like the Simms who ran the Lynn, who now work with Joshua, to Danny Williams and Henry Akinwande, to right up close with Dillian Whyte at Keddles, to getting punched for 20 years have shown me all the theory means nothing. Your chin is your chin. "

You still cant grasp that stamina comes from ACTUAL in ring experience and shots take stamina OUT of you ,exp fighters WOULD know this ,yet you dont and straw man arguments like the above are made !

Your chin is mot your chin ,if that was the case fighters in even other weight classes wouldn't tryand rehydrate to a BIGGER size ...and they do so bc they KNOW being HEAVIER equals an advantage to take bigger shots and deliver them...this is boxing 101 !

" has David Price done since he decided to put on extra weight for durability "?. Gassing out so bad he gets stopped by low level journeymen. Did it help he's chin? Is he's power overwhelming everyone like he, himself, thought it would? Nope, it's a cardio game."

O.K now you're just getting ******ed ,i think ive wasted enough time here ,closing thoughts make a thread how Klitchko and co. do better at 225 ,see where that goes . lol

Your a fool. You keep saying your wasting your time but you keep coming back talking rubbish. Lewis had no trouble knocking out big men when he was lighter.. PRE Ruddock Lennox Lewis. 21 fights, all wins, 18 knockouts! HAD TROUBLE KNOCKING BIG MEN OUT!! Haha, fiction. Who did he fight before Billups? Let's see. Did he have have trouble knocking out Derek Williams. Tyrell Biggs? How about two fights after? Razor Ruddock, big, durable heavys.You talk such rubbish. Billups was durable, that's why Lewis had trouble, and he was also defensively quite savvy. Although Moorer, a big puncher,stopped him, he stopped him standing, after alot of shots. Billups, smaller, had a good chin. He was reasonably quick. Course of you trained him he'd have been 20lb heavier, less mobile and Lennox wouldve been able to sit down and shots and get him out of there when he gasses halfway through the fight. Bruno turned pro in 82.Tyson in 85.Small difference. Tyson had three years out,, in prison, which he said himself took alot out of him. He had four rounds, a joke with Mcneeley, and a sloppy affair with Mathis.Bruno was coming off he's best career win, a title win, and nobody in the game claimed him to be on the way out. He was the ripe old age of 34 when Mike beat him. Stop lying to suit your agenda. Bowe came in at 240 with a belly in the Holyfield rematch. The same kind of extra bulk Whyte is carrying. So again a sub 220lb heavy beats a 240lb fatty, big surprise. Oh, so Holyfield was the more skilled heavy than Bowe now? Yet of three he lost two. Again, no logic in what you write on here. In ring experience is one thing, but the extra bulk takes oxygen and blood, and the most experienced fighter neither always wins, or can fight at a higher pace. I've been in there enough to know that. Fighters know that height and weight in general is an advantage, depending on their style. They like to be bigger for their weight class. Being taller, longer, in general helps. But very durable guys like Golovkin and Froch enter the ring much lighter than others in their division. They do this because they have good sized frames for theor divisions.Theu get in there lighter than the other man. It makes no difference to the fact that they are durable. They still have plenty of power. Watch 172lb Froch crush 178lb Bute. Weight doesnt change your power. They still hurt guys in their division. Listen to Mike Tyson in he's in the ring lesson with Smithy. He says and I quote "punching power had nothing whatsoever to do with size or weight".Have a look. Holyfield told BBC sport that he cautioned against gaining weight. QUOTE "gaining weight doesn't make you hit any harder". Emanuel Steward said in interview after interview that he didn't like fighters lifting weights to gain muscle.". QUOTE :"A heavily muscled fighter like Grant and Bruno are so tight they can get their punches off normally. After 5 or 6 rounds their muscles get fatigued. When Michael Grant came into the ring Lennox looked at me and said" well, I got me another one of my muscle babies".Hang on, I thought you said Lennox bulked up on purpose, adding bulk with weights to be bigger and stronger? Nope. At Joshua's age he was 228 at the most. Would Joshua be better at around that weight. Bet your life he would. Freddie Roach, Eddie Futch, none thought extra bulk was of any benefit. That's because it's not. You didnt answer the Price question did you. That's because it's a good example of a guy who listened to someone like you who told him gaining weight would make him more durable. He thought so too. He came in bigger on purpose. . He weighed 275 and got stopped by a non puncher. He was tired by the third. Your heart has to feed the bulk. This is biology. Bigger means slower pace, less mobility, easier target. It does not mean harder puncher, more durable. Your answer is to be a keyboard warrior calling me a ****** like a child in the playground. Carry on..

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Your a fool. You keep saying your wasting your time but you keep coming back talking rubbish. Lewis had no trouble knocking out big men when he was lighter.. PRE Ruddock Lennox Lewis. 21 fights, all wins, 18 knockouts! HAD TROUBLE KNOCKING BIG MEN OUT!! Haha, fiction. Who did he fight before Billups? Let's see. Did he have have trouble knocking out Derek Williams. Tyrell Biggs? How about two fights after? Razor Ruddock, big, durable heavys.You talk such rubbish. Billups was durable, that's why Lewis had trouble, and he was also defensively quite savvy. Although Moorer, a big puncher,stopped him, he stopped him standing, after alot of shots. Billups, smaller, had a good chin. He was reasonably quick. Course of you trained him he'd have been 20lb heavier, less mobile and Lennox wouldve been able to sit down and shots and get him out of there when he gasses halfway through the fight. Bruno turned pro in 82.Tyson in 85.Small difference. Tyson had three years out,, in prison, which he said himself took alot out of him. He had four rounds, a joke with Mcneeley, and a sloppy affair with Mathis.Bruno was coming off he's best career win, a title win, and nobody in the game claimed him to be on the way out. He was the ripe old age of 34 when Mike beat him. Stop lying to suit your agenda. Bowe came in at 240 with a belly in the Holyfield rematch. The same kind of extra bulk Whyte is carrying. So again a sub 220lb heavy beats a 240lb fatty, big surprise. Oh, so Holyfield was the more skilled heavy than Bowe now? Yet of three he lost two. Again, no logic in what you write on here. In ring experience is one thing, but the extra bulk takes oxygen and blood, and the most experienced fighter neither always wins, or can fight at a higher pace. I've been in there enough to know that. Fighters know that height and weight in general is an advantage, depending on their style. They like to be bigger for their weight class. Being taller, longer, in general helps. But very durable guys like Golovkin and Froch enter the ring much lighter than others in their division. They do this because they have good sized frames for theor divisions.Theu get in there lighter than the other man. It makes no difference to the fact that they are durable. They still have plenty of power. Watch 172lb Froch crush 178lb Bute. Weight doesnt change your power. They still hurt guys in their division. Listen to Mike Tyson in he's in the ring lesson with Smithy. He says and I quote "punching power had nothing whatsoever to do with size or weight".Have a look. Holyfield told BBC sport that he cautioned against gaining weight. QUOTE "gaining weight doesn't make you hit any harder". Emanuel Steward said in interview after interview that he didn't like fighters lifting weights to gain muscle.". QUOTE :"A heavily muscled fighter like Grant and Bruno are so tight they can get their punches off normally. After 5 or 6 rounds their muscles get fatigued. When Michael Grant came into the ring Lennox looked at me and said" well, I got me another one of my muscle babies".Hang on, I thought you said Lennox bulked up on purpose, adding bulk with weights to be bigger and stronger? Nope. At Joshua's age he was 228 at the most. Would Joshua be better at around that weight. Bet your life he would. Freddie Roach, Eddie Futch, none thought extra bulk was of any benefit. That's because it's not. You didnt answer the Price question did you. That's because it's a good example of a guy who listened to someone like you who told him gaining weight would make him more durable. He thought so too. He came in bigger on purpose. . He weighed 275 and got stopped by a non puncher. He was tired by the third. Your heart has to feed the bulk. This is biology. Bigger means slower pace, less mobility, easier target. It does not mean harder puncher, more durable. Your answer is to be a keyboard warrior calling me a ****** like a child in the playground. Carry on..

"Lewis had no trouble knocking out big men when he was lighter.. PRE Ruddock Lennox Lewis. 21 fights, all wins, 18 knockouts! HAD TROUBLE KNOCKING BIG MEN OUT!! Haha, fiction. Who did he fight before Billups? "

He had competitive fights with journey man Murphy , Occasio older cruiser weight going the distance and Billups who had lost previous fights before fighting Lewis . His best win before switching trainers was Dixon who suffered detached retina . If you watch his fights (apparently you dont )you would know he wasnt a known puncher prior to Ruddock .Knocking out VERY poor fighters doesnt show he had K.Opower some durable MUCH smaller guys lasted with him ,in contrast look at how BIGGER Joshua knocks out guys with PROVEN chins .SMH

" Bruno turned pro in 82.Tyson in 85.Small difference. "

NOT when you take alot of punches and rely on timing more than speed . Again boxing 101 .

" Bowe came in at 240 with a belly in the Holyfield rematch. The same kind of extra bulk Whyte is carrying. So again a sub 220lb heavy beats a 240lb fatty, big surprise. "

This still doesnt neglect Holyfield won at his heaviest against a NATURAL SHW does it ? It actually supports my point bc the MORE skilled Holyfield still lost twice to the bigger man who USED weight to drain him in those fights . Do you think Bowe had overall more skills /sharper punches than Holyfield ? Dont be a fool. Holyfield arguably was the most well balanced HW ever of ring craft ,using STRAW MAN arguments to show how Whyte compares just bc hes a big guy is idiotic ,but you know that RIGHT pete ? lol

" Fighters know that height and weight in general is an advantage, depending on their style. They like to be bigger for their weight class. Being taller, longer, in general helps. But very durable guys like Golovkin and Froch enter the ring much lighter than others in their division. They do this because they have good sized frames for theor divisions.Theu get in there lighter than the other man. It makes no difference to the fact that they are durable. They still have plenty of power. "

This only proves my point ,and using FROCH and GGG(NATURAL ) puncher has no relevant discussion here . What drugs are you on?


"Listen to Mike Tyson in he's in the ring lesson with Smithy. He says and I quote "punching power had nothing whatsoever to do with size or weight"

I dont have to listen to Tyson bc ive already covered this but keep reiterating the SAME nonsense i already explained why Tyson was a better fighter BELOW 220 and LEAN muscle generates faster movements no matter what you weigh ,fat also burns longer than muscle which why SOME fit guys tire out faster !.

"Emanuel Steward said in interview after interview that he didn't like fighters lifting weights to gain muscle.". QUOTE :"A heavily muscled fighter like Grant and Bruno are so tight they can get their punches off normally. After 5 or 6 rounds their muscles get fatigued. "

Klitchko and Lewis lifted weights (dont tell me he didnt I USED TO WATCH HIM ) Bruno isnt smart trained and soley lifted weights with LITTLE boxing movements incorporated ,he also suffered from asthma and was noted to have heart problems linked to overdose of vitamin popping ( alledgedly )I dont know what Grant did but he wasnt as big as a Lewis just taller ,he resembled a muscular basketball player ,who are you trying to fool here ? Certainly not me .

" At Joshua's age he was 228 at the most. Would Joshua be better at around that weight. Bet your life he would. "

No he wouldn't and his fights show that knocking out BETTER competition with less effort than when he climbed in at 230's ,he was practically 250 when he knocked out Kevin Johnson the same guy everyone was betting on to go past 4 rnds (really the fight was over in ONE ) ,further proof you have no idea what your talking about . But like i said and take my challenge and post a thread of why fghters should weigh 225 if you THINK you know what your talking about ? We BOTH know why you wouldn't do that .


Yes anyone using straw man argument of David PRICE in referance to size doesnt matter is a special kind of ****** ,so ****** fits ,really no ther way to put it ! lol


O.K like i said before enough time wasted here i'll cut it short AGAIN .Think what you like but your azz backwards here in about everything you covered which really was not on point ,if i get bored i'll reply to more pile of jibberish on your part you will respond too ,you cant help yourself !

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"Lewis had no trouble knocking out big men when he was lighter.. PRE Ruddock Lennox Lewis. 21 fights, all wins, 18 knockouts! HAD TROUBLE KNOCKING BIG MEN OUT!! Haha, fiction. Who did he fight before Billups? "

He had competitive fights with journey man Murphy , Occasio older cruiser weight going the distance and Billups who had lost previous fights before fighting Lewis . His best win before switching trainers was Dixon who suffered detached retina . Ifyou watch his fights (apparently you dont )you would know he wzasnt a known puncher prior to Ruddock .SMH

" Bruno turned pro in 82.Tyson in 85.Small difference. "

NOT when you take alot of punches and rely on timing more than speed . Again boxing 101 .

" Bowe came in at 240 with a belly in the Holyfield rematch. The same kind of extra bulk Whyte is carrying. So again a sub 220lb heavy beats a 240lb fatty, big surprise. "

This still doesnt neglect Holyfield won at his heaviest against a NATURAL SHW does it ? It actually supports my point bc the MORE skilled Holyfield still lost twice to the bigger man who USED weight to drain him in those fights . Do you think Bowe had overall more skills /sharper punches than Holyfield ? Dont be a fool.

" Fighters know that height and weight in general is an advantage, depending on their style. They like to be bigger for their weight class. Being taller, longer, in general helps. But very durable guys like Golovkin and Froch enter the ring much lighter than others in their division. They do this because they have good sized frames for theor divisions.Theu get in there lighter than the other man. It makes no difference to the fact that they are durable. They still have plenty of power. "

This only proves my point ,and using FROCH and GGG(NATURAL ) puncher has no relevant discussion here . What drugs are you on?


"Listen to Mike Tyson in he's in the ring lesson with Smithy. He says and I quote "punching power had nothing whatsoever to do with size or weight"

I dont have to listen to Tyson bc ive already covered this but keep reiterating the SAME nonsense i already explained why Tyson was a better fighter BELOW 220 and LEAN muscle generates faster movements no matter what you weigh ,fat also burns longer than muscle which why SOME fit guys tire out faster !.

"Emanuel Steward said in interview after interview that he didn't like fighters lifting weights to gain muscle.". QUOTE :"A heavily muscled fighter like Grant and Bruno are so tight they can get their punches off normally. After 5 or 6 rounds their muscles get fatigued. "

Klitchko and Lewis lifted weights (dont tell me he didnt I USED TO WATCH HIM ) Bruno isnt smart trained and soley lifted weights with LITTLE boxing movements incorporated , i dont know what Grant did but he wasnt as big as a Lewis just taller ,he resembled a muscular basketball player ,who are you trying to fool here ? Certainly not me .

" At Joshua's age he was 228 at the most. Would Joshua be better at around that weight. Bet your life he would. "

No he wouldn't and his fights show that knocking out BETTER competition with less effort than when he climbed in at 230's ,further proof you have no idea what your talking about . But like i said and take my challenge and post a thread of why fghters should weigh 225 if you THINK you know what your talking about ? We BOTH know why you wouldn't do that .


Yes anyone using straw man argument of David PRICE in referance to size doesnt matter is a special kind of ****** ,so ****** fits ,really no ther way to put it ! lol


O.K like i said before enough time wasted here i'll cut it short AGAIN .Think what you like but your azz backwards here in about everything you covered which really was not on point ,if i get bored i'll reply to more pile of jibberish you will respond too ,you cant help yourself !

You think Lewis had a competitive fight with Murphy? Dan the man ran around the ring for six rounds. He literally ran for 6 rounds. Nothing to do with Lewis having a lack of power. Ocasio was a craft veteran. Very experienced and a smaller lighter faster man than most heavies. So what? You think this proved Lewis wasn't a big hitter? Billups, a former football player had lost fights, but was notably durable. Watch Moorer fight him, then understand he's chin. Are you saying Lewis had he's best win against Dixon before changing trainers? Not Mike Dixon? That was better than Williams, Biggs, Mason and Weaver? You mustve made a typo. Mason, Williams, Biggs and Ruddock all stopped pretty quickly.Mason being the only one going over 3 rounds by a man who wasn't a good enough puncher. Do you know the weight Lewis was when he fought Murphy? Lewis was 230lb.Heavier than when he beat Ruddock. So according to you, he didn't punch hard enough at 230,but clearly did at 227.Then he knocks out Mike Weaver with one punch weighing 225.How do you explain this. I just shattered your theory. Apparently he punched harder when lighter. Where's you theory. Actually it basically up mine. Murphy, nowhere near that level stayed as long as he did because he was lighter and quicker. Jean Chanet did too. Remember him, he trained for a while at my gym. Beat giant Derek Williams. Went six with same weight Lewis who crushed Ruddock. Stopped on he's feet. How big? Just over 200lb.You know, the same weight James Toney loses he's chin at. Actually address this fact. HOLD ON A MINUTE. Your using Holyfield winning one against Bowe at 218 as an example of being heavier making a fighter more successful? After all my examples of Tyson struggling when HE was heavier you want to negate. You use this in a fight that Bowe himself came in twenty pound heavier as proof that weights effective? Such hypocrisy. Bowe was certainly a better heavyweight than Holyfield of we are talking jab and inside skills. The fact that he's prime was short doesnt change this fact. Of course the fact that he was best at under 230 rolls off your back. Just the same as a 218 Holyfield beating a 240plus Bowe in a rematch showing sub 225 fighters have the advantage over the 240 crowd, yet again. Now nowhere did I say Joshua frame didn't afford him advantages over hes opponents. You were saying weight makes you hit harder and more durable. Froch and Golovkin prove opposite. Both super durable, both very hard hitters. Lighter than their opponents. So it didn't prove your point, it proves the total opposite of your point. Grant wasn't as big as Lewis? Did you see the press conference where they compared hands? Same size. Same type frame. Lewis won that because he was better, and didn't bulk up for the sake of it. Grant muscled up for the sake of it. Bruno didn't train smart? Well in boxing terms George Francis was considered one of the best boxing trainers in the game. Bruno made the most of himself and he's talent. He mightve don't better if he wasn't so big. Oh no, as it goes he did do better against a certain someone when he was two stone lighter. Oh well. I'll tell you why alot of these heavies would do better at 225.Because a 225 puncher doesn't have any trouble knocking out a 240 250lbder as I've shown is more examples than I can count. The extra 20lbs, of either fat, which is useless, or muscle, which is largely cosmetic makes no difference other than to burn more energy, and make you slower. Joshua doesn't need the extra bulk. It doesn't nothing. As far as I know, when he was last 230lb he'd stopped all of he's opponents quickly with ease. Where do you get any evidence he stops people more easily now he's heavier? He finished everyone early when he was lighter.As for the Price thing, it's reasonable to assume that he should be more durable than most now he's 275 at 6 foot 8 no? Why not if weight helps. So he should be getting stopped by non punchers from a level below should he? He's always been a puncher. That shouldve been even more accentuated by he's massive size. Yet he isn't. Why no improvements? Unless your saying theres a point of diminishing returns. Well that's what im saying. BTW Lewis and Klitschko did lift weights. But Steward is on record saying he didn't approve. This is beyond dispute. And as someone who also lifts and always did, you know like I do its not always to bulk up with. I know that Lewis did a lot of bodyweight training once with Steward. And the same with Wlad. They're fond of close grip pushups and pull ups. I know the worst Toney ever looked in sparring according to Roach was when he bulked up with weights. He says that's when he ripped he's biceps and he's Achilles.All on record, all verifiable. Yep, I think Joshua would be better lighter, so wouldve Wlad, and granted they are tall men, but they have too much cosmetic muscle. And yes Whyte would've lasted longer without all the fat giving 20lb away to Joshua. Definitely. Just like the quicker Haye lasted with giant Wlad, just like Holyfield hung with Bowe and Lewis, and just like low levellers like Chanet and Murphy did with a young lion in Lewis, when bigger men where getting bowled over.

[bluepete]

"Lewis had no trouble knocking out big men when he was lighter.. PRE Ruddock Lennox Lewis. 21 fights, all wins, 18 knockouts! HAD TROUBLE KNOCKING BIG MEN OUT!! Haha, fiction. Who did he fight before Billups? "

He had competitive fights with journey man Murphy , Occasio older cruiser weight going the distance and Billups who had lost previous fights before fighting Lewis . His best win before switching trainers was Dixon who suffered detached retina . If you watch his fights (apparently you dont )you would know he wasnt a known puncher prior to Ruddock .Knocking out VERY poor fighters doesnt show he had K.Opower some durable MUCH smaller guys lasted with him ,in contrast look at how BIGGER Joshua knocks out guys with PROVEN chins .SMH

" Bruno turned pro in 82.Tyson in 85.Small difference. "

NOT when you take alot of punches and rely on timing more than speed . Again boxing 101 .

" Bowe came in at 240 with a belly in the Holyfield rematch. The same kind of extra bulk Whyte is carrying. So again a sub 220lb heavy beats a 240lb fatty, big surprise. "

This still doesnt neglect Holyfield won at his heaviest against a NATURAL SHW does it ? It actually supports my point bc the MORE skilled Holyfield still lost twice to the bigger man who USED weight to drain him in those fights . Do you think Bowe had overall more skills /sharper punches than Holyfield ? Dont be a fool. Holyfield arguably was the most well balanced HW ever of ring craft ,using STRAW MAN arguments to show how Whyte compares just bc hes a big guy is idiotic ,but you know that RIGHT pete ? lol

" Fighters know that height and weight in general is an advantage, depending on their style. They like to be bigger for their weight class. Being taller, longer, in general helps. But very durable guys like Golovkin and Froch enter the ring much lighter than others in their division. They do this because they have good sized frames for theor divisions.Theu get in there lighter than the other man. It makes no difference to the fact that they are durable. They still have plenty of power. "

This only proves my point ,and using FROCH and GGG(NATURAL ) puncher has no relevant discussion here . What drugs are you on?


"Listen to Mike Tyson in he's in the ring lesson with Smithy. He says and I quote "punching power had nothing whatsoever to do with size or weight"

I dont have to listen to Tyson bc ive already covered this but keep reiterating the SAME nonsense i already explained why Tyson was a better fighter BELOW 220 and LEAN muscle generates faster movements no matter what you weigh ,fat also burns longer than muscle which why SOME fit guys tire out faster !.

"Emanuel Steward said in interview after interview that he didn't like fighters lifting weights to gain muscle.". QUOTE :"A heavily muscled fighter like Grant and Bruno are so tight they can get their punches off normally. After 5 or 6 rounds their muscles get fatigued. "

Klitchko and Lewis lifted weights (dont tell me he didnt I USED TO WATCH HIM ) Bruno isnt smart trained and soley lifted weights with LITTLE boxing movements incorporated ,he also suffered from asthma and was noted to have heart problems linked to overdose of vitamin popping ( alledgedly )I dont know what Grant did but he wasnt as big as a Lewis just taller ,he resembled a muscular basketball player ,who are you trying to fool here ? Certainly not me .

" At Joshua's age he was 228 at the most. Would Joshua be better at around that weight. Bet your life he would. "

No he wouldn't and his fights show that knocking out BETTER competition with less effort than when he climbed in at 230's ,he was practically 250 when he knocked out Kevin Johnson the same guy everyone was betting on to go past 4 rnds (really the fight was over in ONE ) ,further proof you have no idea what your talking about . But like i said and take my challenge and post a thread of why fghters should weigh 225 if you THINK you know what your talking about ? We BOTH know why you wouldn't do that .


Yes anyone using straw man argument of David PRICE in referance to size doesnt matter is a special kind of ****** ,so ****** fits ,really no ther way to put it ! lol


O.K like i said before enough time wasted here i'll cut it short AGAIN .Think what you like but your azz backwards here in about everything you covered which really was not on point ,if i get bored i'll reply to more pile of jibberish on your part you will respond too ,you cant help yourself !

Btw, I keep replying because I never said I wouldnt. It's you who keeps saying your out of here, wasted enough time ect. You've been leaving for a while now, but you can't keep your word can you? Haha..

[juggernaut666]

Btw, I keep replying because I never said I wouldnt. It's you who keeps saying your out of here, wasted enough time ect. You've been leaving for a while now, but you can't keep your word can you? Haha..

You dont want me to reply bc you know i show your faults .

Ruddock had a new trainer named (Floyd Patterson ) who confused Ruddocks style for Lewis not to mention 2 brutal Tyson fights where at a heavier weight he did better ,ooops on your part AGAIN !

"Then he knocks out Mike Weaver with one punch weighing 225.How do you explain this. I just shattered your theory. Apparently he punched harder when lighter. Where's you theory."

Are you really this dense ? Weaver was still out sized and wasnt even in his prime . Bruno was MUCH more dangerous (the same Bruno BIGGER Bruno ) and i can tell you that bc Bill Sharkey who i trained under fought both. I bring that up to once again show straw man arguments on your part arent working here !

"You use this in a fight that Bowe himself came in twenty pound heavier as proof that weights effective? Such hypocrisy. Bowe was certainly a better heavyweight than Holyfield of we are talking jab and inside skills. The fact that he's prime was short doesnt change this fact."

I used ALL three fights showing how weight played a part ,reality isnot your cup of tea and you answered my question on if you are a fool bc you THINK Bowe was better skilled than Holyfield !


"course the fact that he was best at under 230 rolls off your back. Just the same as a 218 Holyfield beating a 240 plus Bowe in a rematch showing sub 225 fighters have the advantage over the 240 crowd, yet again. "

The twilight zone must be a fun place ? What was his best win around that 230 weight ? going the distance with ancient Tony Tubbs ?



"for the Price thing, it's reasonable to assume that he should be more durable than most now he's 275 at 6 foot 8 no? "

Well did he grow in some fight weve never seen before is that suppose to indicator of relevant here? Yes he would probably be a more Valuev level at that size IF he trained properly and got right trainers ,both are average the more skilled Price suffered from bad training but again you knew that RIGHT pete ? Somehow you turned this into giants equal more stamina now ?


You can write all the long tripe you like its turned into C plus trolling here and you cowarded away from your SIZE doesnt matter thread so maybe you are not overly oblivious as i thought bc you would get mugged on here explaining how 225 Wlad and 225 Joshua are improved guys when each BEST performance were at above 240.......

[Deletrious]

AJ is a class act and a funny guy. Can easily become a huge star.

[bluepete]

You dont want me to reply bc you know i show your faults .

Ruddock had a new trainer named (Floyd Patterson ) who confused Ruddocks style for Lewis not to mention 2 brutal Tyson fights where at a heavier weight he did better ,ooops on your part AGAIN !

"Then he knocks out Mike Weaver with one punch weighing 225.How do you explain this. I just shattered your theory. Apparently he punched harder when lighter. Where's you theory."

Are you really this dense ? Weaver was still out sized and wasnt even in his prime . Bruno was MUCH more dangerous (the same Bruno BIGGER Bruno ) and i can tell you that bc Bill Sharkey who i trained under fought both. I bring that up to once again show straw man arguments on your part arent working here !

"You use this in a fight that Bowe himself came in twenty pound heavier as proof that weights effective? Such hypocrisy. Bowe was certainly a better heavyweight than Holyfield of we are talking jab and inside skills. The fact that he's prime was short doesnt change this fact."

I used ALL three fights showing how weight played a part ,reality isnot your cup of tea and you answered my question on if you are a fool bc you THINK Bowe was better skilled than Holyfield !


"course the fact that he was best at under 230 rolls off your back. Just the same as a 218 Holyfield beating a 240 plus Bowe in a rematch showing sub 225 fighters have the advantage over the 240 crowd, yet again. "

The twilight zone must be a fun place ? What was his best win around that 230 weight ? going the distance with ancient Tony Tubbs ?



"for the Price thing, it's reasonable to assume that he should be more durable than most now he's 275 at 6 foot 8 no? "

Well did he grow in some fight weve never seen before is that suppose to indicator of relevant here? Yes he would probably be a more Valuev level at that size IF he trained properly and got right trainers ,both are average the more skilled Price suffered from bad training but again you knew that RIGHT pete ? Somehow you turned this into giants equal more stamina now ?


You can write all the long tripe you like its turned into C plus trolling here and you cowarded away from your SIZE doesnt matter thread so maybe you are not overly oblivious as i thought bc you would get mugged on here explaining how 225 Wlad and 225 Joshua are improved guys when each BEST performance were at above 240.......

See you didn't answer the question. Why is the lighter Lewis proven not to be a puncher on the back of Murphy and Ocasio, but the same weight Lewis knocks out Ruddock in two rounds. A world class heavyweight. What the hell has Paterson got to do with anything. Ruddock stalked Lewis for one round, was floored by one punch, and then flattened in the second. This wasn't stylistic. This was Lewis punching hard. The same Lewis knocked out Derek Williams, Biggs and stopped Mason. The fact that Weaver was old doesn't change that it was a one punch knockout. He floored Biggs again an again. You said he wasn't a puncher. Rubbish. Then you try some garbage about Tyson Ruddock. We're talking about Lewis not hitting hard at 225 and there abouts, and then I point out that he stops all these world class heavies and you change the subject. This is what you do. Bruno was more dangerous than Weaver? Did I sat otherwise? Bruno was 225 against Tyson and wobbled him. He smashed guys early in hes career. At a lighter weight, coz he was a puncher. Weaver, was a good puncher too. Flattened Tate and Carl Williams. But who was comparin Weaver and Bruno. Evander Holyfield quote : "Rid**** Bowe was the most complete big man I fought". Explain this comment in the context of being crazy to think he was more skilled that Evander. Actually explain this. Bowes best win at about 230? How about Evander Holyfield one? The only one being mugged here is you. You don't agree with the quotes of actual fighters, hall of fame trainers or the results of fights. I get it, you want to be right. You might not have enough seen the Price fight but I was there. Course, anytime the bulk leads to these guys gassing, which is almost always its "wrong training". Abit vague.You think more weight helps durability and power. I think it helps neither and sapps stamina, it's always been my position. It's wrong training and the wrong approach. Bigger is better. Bodybuilder bull****. I don't coward from nothing, I live in Peckham, boxed in the Lynn and the Henry Cooper, famous boxing gyms . I was trained by the Simms and Lloyd Honeygan. I trained with Darren Dyer, Danny Williams, Henry Akinwande. I still train and spar at Keddles gym, boxing and mma. We've got Dillian Whyte here, Jimi Manuwa, plenty of good boxers and a truckload of reality. Your wrong, keep changing the subject and miss me more with every moment. I don't want you to stop at all, it's what you keep saying youre gonna do. Have a look back if you ever forgotten. Fire away..

[bluepete]

You dont want me to reply bc you know i show your faults .

Ruddock had a new trainer named (Floyd Patterson ) who confused Ruddocks style for Lewis not to mention 2 brutal Tyson fights where at a heavier weight he did better ,ooops on your part AGAIN !

"Then he knocks out Mike Weaver with one punch weighing 225.How do you explain this. I just shattered your theory. Apparently he punched harder when lighter. Where's you theory."

Are you really this dense ? Weaver was still out sized and wasnt even in his prime . Bruno was MUCH more dangerous (the same Bruno BIGGER Bruno ) and i can tell you that bc Bill Sharkey who i trained under fought both. I bring that up to once again show straw man arguments on your part arent working here !

"You use this in a fight that Bowe himself came in twenty pound heavier as proof that weights effective? Such hypocrisy. Bowe was certainly a better heavyweight than Holyfield of we are talking jab and inside skills. The fact that he's prime was short doesnt change this fact."

I used ALL three fights showing how weight played a part ,reality isnot your cup of tea and you answered my question on if you are a fool bc you THINK Bowe was better skilled than Holyfield !


"course the fact that he was best at under 230 rolls off your back. Just the same as a 218 Holyfield beating a 240 plus Bowe in a rematch showing sub 225 fighters have the advantage over the 240 crowd, yet again. "

The twilight zone must be a fun place ? What was his best win around that 230 weight ? going the distance with ancient Tony Tubbs ?



"for the Price thing, it's reasonable to assume that he should be more durable than most now he's 275 at 6 foot 8 no? "

Well did he grow in some fight weve never seen before is that suppose to indicator of relevant here? Yes he would probably be a more Valuev level at that size IF he trained properly and got right trainers ,both are average the more skilled Price suffered from bad training but again you knew that RIGHT pete ? Somehow you turned this into giants equal more stamina now ?


You can write all the long tripe you like its turned into C plus trolling here and you cowarded away from your SIZE doesnt matter thread so maybe you are not overly oblivious as i thought bc you would get mugged on here explaining how 225 Wlad and 225 Joshua are improved guys when each BEST performance were at above 240.......

Oh yeah, By the way, what was Wlad's worst performance? Getting stopped by Sanders. What did he weigh? 242..what did Saunders weigh? 225! Why didn't the weight help again? How about Wlad's second worst performance against Brewster.Wlad 243.Brewster 226! Twice, superheavy Wlad flattened by those pesky 225 ers again. You know, that 225 weight that guys crumble against big men at. They keep piling up don't they?

[Boxing Goat]

Joshua would have clobbered any version of Tyson. Too big, too skilled, too much power.