Dillian Whyte "We've Made Wilder An Improved Offer 4.5million + US TV Revenue"

[The Gambler1981]

Wheres your proof.. ???? I'm still waiting on why promoters should never be taken at face value.. Sheep. like I said I had sheep like you telling me Hearn is lying about AJ vs Vlad, Brook vs Spence.. Pulev and Ortiz said they wont step aside but they have now.. Brook got extensions when IBF said they would strip him, they didnt.. Indongo was due to get stripped, he hasnt.. that's enough "PROOF" for me to take Hearn's world since he has a history track record of getting his way with sanctioning bodies. Why would he make 4 offers to Al Haymon if that fight could never happen?? Go watch IFL interview where Hearn says he had a meeting with WBC president and got the go ahead for Stiverne step aside and he is confident Stiverne will take step aside if Wilder accepts the offer.

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Wheres your proof? I'll wait.

You do know what the job of a boxing promoter is right?
To promote a fight or fighter if that fighter is aligned to that promoter. What is the most cost effective form of promotion to get the media talking about whatever even if that is not something that is going to happen? outright lies, half truths or even the truth that is leaving out some important details or the actual truth if that is how it works out; it really doesn't matter as long as the people and media are talking.

Sometimes boxing promoters do have to show up with the goods or there is no reason to ever believe them but if you follow the sport long enough you know that believing a promoter straight away is among the most foolish things you can do. Hearn comes through sometimes though but is he 100% because you are acting like the word of Hearn is written in stone tablets straight from the mouth of god.

So who is really being a sheep here? because you are the one throwing around accusations and terms. Asking me for proof I can point to countless Arum quotes, Don King quotes, and Eddie Hearn if I really care to look it up but you are the one claiming something exact to be true rather than something that is a given that boxing promoters will say whatever benefits their agenda.

If you are on the payroll of Eddie Hearn I forgive you you are doing a job, as I don't blame Hearn for doing his but don't call people out for some stuff you are straight up perpetrating in the same breath.

[NahMean]

I'm not saying Hearn is the most dishonest promoter. He's actually one of the most honest of the major promoters. But he's still a promoter and taking anything he says at face value is extremely naive. His public statements are designed to gain favor for his fighters and sway public sentiment against other fighters. Just because he's slicker and doesn't blatantly lie as often as promoters of the past doesn't mean people should blindly believe anything he says.




The WBC has never had a problem with step aside deals. No meeting with Mauricio is needed for that. But it's the way Hearn speaks about it which is designed to trick fans into thinking Wilder is ducking Whyte.

When the truth is that a meeting with Mauricio is literally pointless. Hearn would have to have a meeting with Don King. Getting the WBC on board accomplishes nothing. When are they NOT on board when the other side agrees to a step aside fee?

This whole campaign by Hearn to smear Wilder has worked beautifully, but everybody who fell for it should feel like a ****ing idiot.

One day you guys cry that Wilder is a fool or a coward for not accepting 3 million. Suddenly the offer is 4.5 million. So who was really the fool? The people saying he should accept. Where are their apologies?

The meeting with Mauricio is actually very relevant as the only reason Whyte wants the fight is for the WBC title. If Stiverne accepts step aside it means nothing if WBC end up stripping Wilder for not fighting his mando. All parties need to equally agree.. And based on Hearns history I beleive he can make pull it off.

Stiverne is saying he won't accept step aside but so did like Pulev and Ortiz.. I personally think is Stiverne is happy with his mando position just to get paid big step aside.. He got chump change to fight Wilder anyway and got schooled so why get schooled and potentially KO'd for pennies when he can get paid for nothing. He's been the mandatory since February yet no news has come out regarding Wilder fighting him.

Hearn knows what he's doing.. He wouldn't make offers to Wilder if he didn't think he can make the fight.. That's common sense and we can all agree as much as promoters lie they all have basic common sense and business knowledge.

But for Stiverne to take step aside Wilder first has to accept the the fight with Whyte so they can then negotiate with Don King for step aside. But it it doesn't look like Wilder wants the fight and has priced himself out. 3 mill was one of the first offers.. Of course Wilder's team would send counter offers to maximise thier earnings.. but they need to be realistic offers. 7 million isn't a reasonable counter, I mean even Wilder admitted 7 million is a figure he knows Hearn won't/can't pay.

[Blackclouds]

If Stiverne accepts step aside it means nothing if WBC end up stripping Wilder for not fighting his mando. All parties need to equally agree.. And based on Hearns history I beleive he can make pull it off.

What is this based on? Stiverne has given no indication he's willing to accept step aside money. Stop playing with these long ass fanboy posts.

[NahMean]

You do know what the job of a boxing promoter is right?
To promote a fight or fighter if that fighter is aligned to that promoter. What is the most cost effective form of promotion to get the media talking about whatever even if that is not something that is going to happen? outright lies, half truths or even the truth that is leaving out some important details or the actual truth if that is how it works out; it really doesn't matter as long as the people and media are talking.

Sometimes boxing promoters do have to show up with the goods or there is no reason to ever believe them but if you follow the sport long enough you know that believing a promoter straight away is among the most foolish things you can do. Hearn comes through sometimes though but is he 100% because you are acting like the word of Hearn is written in stone tablets straight from the mouth of god.

So who is really being a sheep here? because you are the one throwing around accusations and terms. Asking me for proof I can point to countless Arum quotes, Don King quotes, and Eddie Hearn if I really care to look it up but you are the one claiming something exact to be true rather than something that is a given that boxing promoters will say whatever benefits their agenda.

If you are on the payroll of Eddie Hearn I forgive you you are doing a job, as I don't blame Hearn for doing his but don't call people out for some stuff you are straight up perpetrating in the same breath.

We're not talking about the ethics of a promoter promoting a fight.. Of course they would talk out thier ass to create buzz for thier fights.. No one is arguing that. You're questioning Hearn ability to pull make a fight against Wilder vs Whyte due the WBC mandotary.

I'm saying I have no reason to doubt Hearn can pull it off.. He's shown he has a very food relationship with sanctioning bodies and he's done it plenty of times for which I've provided you examples. Hean is widely regarded as the best promoter in boxing yet you still think we can't trust capabilities.. Where's your proof? Just doubting someones capability for no reason or proof means you're just a sheep my friend.

[The Gambler1981]

We're not talking about the ethics of a promoter promoting a fight.. Of course they would talk out thier ass to create buzz for thier fights.. No one is arguing that. You're questioning Hearn ability to pull make a fight against Wilder vs Whyte due the WBC mandotary.

I'm saying I have no reason to doubt Hearn can pull it off.. He's shown he has a very food relationship with sanctioning bodies and he's done it plenty of times for which I've provided you examples. Hean is widely regarded as the best promoter in boxing yet you still think we can't trust capabilities.. Where's your proof? Just doubting someones capability for no reason or proof means you're just a sheep my friend.

There are no ethics requirements to promoting a fight or fighter, you either promote it getting the word out to have a successful event or you don't. It is a results business no one really cares that much what someone does to get a guy over. How many times in fight promotions do guys call for this fight to be the war to end all wars that they are out for blood, that this fight will be different from any before, that this is THE fight, it is the same **** over and over if you have watched the sport for five, ten or twenty years you get this fact.

I could not care less what Hearn is doing he is getting his guy over good for him that is his job. A fan buying that hook line and sinker though is another matter. Then to call other people out who are pointing out the fact that just believing a promoter is foolish at best, when in fact you are the one displaying the behavior you are calling out. C'mon, if you are working for Hearn cool that is your job but if you are a fan be better than that and realize things may not be as you wish them to be.

[The Gambler1981]

What is this based on? Stiverne has given no indication he's willing to accept step aside money. Stop playing with these long ass fanboy posts.

That is all I want to know, if Stiverne is willing to do that and there is some words from him or King on the issue fair enough on people saying Wilder doesn't want the fight. Until that hurdle is met though everything is a lot of hot air from a boxing promoter who will say whatever suits their needs at the moment.

[NahMean]

What is this based on? Stiverne has given no indication he's willing to accept step aside money. Stop playing with these long ass fanboy posts.

Never thought I'd be called a fan boy of a promoter lmao.

Whatever mate.. You believe Stiverne wants the fight so bad do you? Why doesn't he try to make it then? It's not exactly hard to make that fight when he's been the mando since February.


On February 27th WBC ordered Wilder and Stiverne to make the within 30 days.. We're way past the 30 days negotiations period but why haven't we heard anything from WBC regarding this mandatory shot?
Noticed how Stiverne hasn't called out Wilder on his social media?? Notice how Wilder has not received a single offer by Don King??..
But you want to believe Stiverne wants the fight so bad right? The only guy calling out Wilder is Whyte. Stiverne don't want nothing to do with Wilder he just wants the paychecks.

[juggernaut666]

Never thought I'd be called a fan boy of a promoter lmao.

Whatever mate.. You believe Stiverne wants the fight so bad do you? Why doesn't he try to make it then? It's not exactly hard to make that fight when he's been the mando since February.


On February 27th WBC ordered Wilder and Stiverne to make the within 30 days.. We're way past the 30 days negotiations period but why haven't we heard anything from WBC regarding this mandatory shot?
Noticed how Stiverne hasn't called out Wilder on his social media?? Notice how Wilder has not received a single offer by Don King??..
But you want to believe Stiverne wants the fight so bad right? The only guy calling out Wilder is Whyte.

Wilder KNEW Stivern would be his only fight in 2017,,,,Joshua vs wilder 2019...is the set target. wilder fans need to know what they are talking about...ironically not fighting the right guys will ultimataley get wilder knocked out in less than 5 rnds.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

If that offer is legit, wilder would be a fool to reject it..

[original zero]

The meeting with Mauricio is actually very relevant as the only reason Whyte wants the fight is for the WBC title. If Stiverne accepts step aside it means nothing if WBC end up stripping Wilder for not fighting his mando.

The WBC is the most pro step aside fee of any of the orgs. They almost never object. Would the average fan realize that? No. Does Hearn know the average fan wouldn't realize that? Yes. So this supposed "meeting" is meaningless. Just a way to manipulate fans. It's not going to take any convincing to get the WBC to approve a step aside fee. They pretty much always do.

The "meeting" would need to be with Don King. Which Hearn conveniently ignores while acting like he has some special approval from the WBC. Bull****. It's just Hearn being a promoter.

Stiverne is saying he won't accept step aside but so did like Pulev and Ortiz.

IBF doesn't allow step aside, so Pulev wouldn't be able to accept it even if he wanted to. Which shows that not only weren't you aware of how the WBC operates, but you also weren't aware of how the IBF operates. You just allow Hearn to spoon feed you propaganda.

Hearn knows what he's doing..

Yes he does, which is why he's so good at brainwashing you.

He wouldn't make offers to Wilder if he didn't think he can make the fight..

Yes he would. Promoters do that all the time to . . . PROMOTE THEIR FIGHTERS. Look how much discussion there has been about Whyte because of Hearn's stunt. He's doing his job. Nobody outside of the UK was talking about Whyte before. So Hearn comes up with an angle to get people talking about Whyte before he fights in the US soon. Classic promoting. I'm not knocking Hearn for doing it. I'm knocking you for falling for it.

But for Stiverne to take step aside Wilder first has to accept the the fight with Whyte

Wrong. How can Wilder decide whether the deal is worth it without knowing what the step aside fee would be?

Wilder accepting or not accepting the fight is going to be based on what makes business sense, not a blanket yes and figure out the details later. That's how Don King used to roll. That's not how Haymon fighters roll.