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  • Mr Objecitivity
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    #11
    Originally posted by JasonBoxing
    Boxing have evolved. You are just using time lines to boost your point of view and debate. Some of those examples are horrible examples of old school vs new. Sorry

    Lewis was 90's to early 2000's era. That's modern era. There is literally no difference between Lewis/Bowe/Ruddock and say Pulev/Joshua/Wlad. In fact 90's was probably bigger.

    Forrest was even closer. I think he was mid 2000's. That's like yesterday.....lol

    80's welterweights were huge. So once again bad comparison.

    A better example will be how will a 1920's Heavyweight Champion do against Lennox Lewis? See. Modern is better.

    When people say 'modern', they don't mean 2017 Dillian Whyte modern. When people say modern is >than old they mean

    Lennox/Roy/Tyson/Holyfield/Vitali/Wlad will beat the utter shyt out of the Rocky Marcianos.........Which is true.
    This sums up the whole thing perfectly! Nothing more needs to be added to this.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Thraxox
      I really doubt Robert Guerrero would beat Prime Thomas Hearns, or Victor Ortiz beating Prime Roberto Duran.
      Just look at other sports, WR's have been dropping consistently and by sizeable amounts.
      I'm not suggesting the modern boxers are like for like better but a 2015 against a 1970 fighter there is only one winner modern sport is so much more advance.

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      • JasonBoxing
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        #13
        Originally posted by Funky_Monk
        Just look at other sports, WR's have been dropping consistently and by sizeable amounts.
        I'm not suggesting the modern boxers are like for like better but a 2015 against a 1970 fighter there is only one winner modern sport is so much more advance.
        I don't know about 2015. That is a risky statement to make since fighters of 2010's is so horrible.

        The 3rd best Heavyweight right now is probably Alexander Povetkin still. Behind Joshua and Fury.

        Are you saying Alexander Povetkin can beat the 3rd best Heavyweight of the 70's? Either Foreman or Frazier?

        What about
        Fury vs Ali

        What about
        Dereck Chisora vs Larry Holmes?


        The 90's-late 2000's modern guys will possibly beat the 70's though but will be close.

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        • A-Wolf
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          #14
          Originally posted by JasonBoxing
          I don't know about 2015. That is a risky statement to make since fighters of 2010's is so horrible.

          The 3rd best Heavyweight right now is probably Alexander Povetkin still. Behind Joshua and Fury.

          Are you saying Alexander Povetkin can beat the 3rd best Heavyweight of the 70's? Either Foreman or Frazier?

          What about
          Fury vs Ali

          What about
          Dereck Chisora vs Larry Holmes?


          The 90's-late 2000's modern guys will possibly beat the 70's though but will be close.
          Exactly. ............

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            #15
            Originally posted by JasonBoxing
            Boxing have evolved. You are just using time lines to boost your point of view and debate. Some of those examples are horrible examples of old school vs new. Sorry

            Lewis was 90's to early 2000's era. That's modern era. There is literally no difference between Lewis/Bowe/Ruddock and say Pulev/Joshua/Wlad. In fact 90's was probably bigger.

            Forrest was even closer. I think he was mid 2000's. That's like yesterday.....lol

            80's welterweights were huge. So once again bad comparison.

            A better example will be how will a 1920's Heavyweight Champion do against Lennox Lewis? See. Modern is better.

            When people say 'modern', they don't mean 2017 Dillian Whyte modern. When people say modern is >than old they mean

            Lennox/Roy/Tyson/Holyfield/Vitali/Wlad will beat the utter shyt out of the Rocky Marcianos.........Which is true.
            I'm talking about 2016, buddy. And lmao 80's and 90's are not modern. Technology and nutrition is better. This why I think aj crushes prime Tyson and Lewis.

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              #16
              Technology allows people to fight for longer. Thats about it.

              They've always had the same fuqing nutrition. How is nutrition better? That makes no sense.

              Thurman would beat Ray Leonard? That's insane.

              I'm a big Spence fan, but you'd have to be insane to assume he could bear Ray Robinson, probably the absolutely most complete and deadly fighter the game as seen.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Blender
                Technology allows people to fight for longer. Thats about it.

                They've always had the same fuqing nutrition. How is nutrition better? That makes no sense.

                Thurman would beat Ray Leonard? That's insane.

                I'm a big Spence fan, but you'd have to be insane to assume he could bear Ray Robinson, probably the absolutely most complete and deadly fighter the game as seen.
                Someone said that Wilder would stop Ali. I didn't know that Wilder was more skilled than Frazier, Foreman, and Norton

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by A-Wolf
                  I'll talk about the interesting ones.

                  Pacquiao does not beat Roberto Duran prime for prime in any equation.

                  The simplest equation: Duran is one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time to go along with his being one of the greatest offensive fighters of all time. Manny Pacquiao can only claim one side, one half of that equation. He's coming up short. Period.

                  For Mayweather vs. Whitaker; I don't see how anyone with a keen enough eye and enough understanding who could watch Whitaker - a fighter who had so much control over his body and his movement he makes Floyd look frantic - a fighter in my estimation who was clearly better at unifying offense and defense far more seamlessly - and was in fact a far superior defensive fighter - and a fighter with more aggressive instincts and less fear - wouldn't understand why he would have the competitive edge.

                  In the grand scheme Whitaker was A+. Mayweather is just an A. I have never seen Floyd do anything in a ring that made me think he was on Pernell's level. Not one time ever.

                  Agree that whitaker is more offensive minded than mayweather, especially the second half of his career, but saying he was far superior defensively is a joke. He puts himself off balance and out of position all the time, he can get away with it because of his athleticism. You think floyd wont be able to catch him off balance?

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                  • soul_survivor
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Sheldon312
                    Terence Crawford vs Wilfred Benietez
                    Keith Thurman vs Sugar Ray Robinson
                    Errol Spence Jr vs Sugar Ray Leonard
                    Gennady Golovkin vs Marvin Hagler
                    Vasyl Lomachencko vs Willie Pep
                    Andre Ward vs Monzon
                    Shawn Porter vs Forrest
                    Manny Pacquiao vs Roberto Duran
                    Floyd vs Pernell Whitaker
                    Deontay Wilder vs George Foreman
                    Anthony Joshua vs Lewis
                    Since boxers have got better over time does this mean that the old school boxers wouldn't stand a chance against today's technicians and power punchers?
                    Can you show me how, objectively speaking of course, boxers now are better now than boxers from 15 years ago?

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                    • elfag
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Sheldon312
                      I'm talking about 2016, buddy. And lmao 80's and 90's are not modern. Technology and nutrition is better. This why I think aj crushes prime Tyson and Lewis.
                      AJ was dropped by 40 something wlad. what is the rationale for him crushing prime lennox and tyson?

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