Since boxing has evolved so much who wins these match ups.

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  • Sheldon312
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    #1

    Since boxing has evolved so much who wins these match ups.

    Terence Crawford vs Wilfred Benietez
    Keith Thurman vs Sugar Ray Robinson
    Errol Spence Jr vs Sugar Ray Leonard
    Gennady Golovkin vs Marvin Hagler
    Vasyl Lomachencko vs Willie Pep
    Andre Ward vs Monzon
    Shawn Porter vs Forrest
    Manny Pacquiao vs Roberto Duran
    Floyd vs Pernell Whitaker
    Deontay Wilder vs George Foreman
    Anthony Joshua vs Lewis
    Since boxers have got better over time does this mean that the old school boxers wouldn't stand a chance against today's technicians and power punchers?
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    #2
    Originally posted by Sheldon312
    Terence Crawford vs Wilfred Benietez
    Keith Thurman vs Sugar Ray Robinson
    Errol Spence Jr vs Sugar Ray Leonard
    Gennady Golovkin vs Marvin Hagler
    Vasyl Lomachencko vs Willie Pep
    Andre Ward vs Monzon
    Shawn Porter vs Forrest
    Manny Pacquiao vs Roberto Duran
    Floyd vs Pernell Whitaker
    Deontay Wilder vs George Foreman
    Anthony Joshua vs Lewis
    Since boxers have got better over time does this mean that the old school boxers wouldn't stand a chance against today's technicians and power punchers?
    Almost every modern boxer would beat the older ones on a now vs then basis.

    If the older ones were given the same levels of training and nutrition now practised the ones with more natural skills would win most obvious would be Lewis would beat AJ and this is one of the closer gaps in terms of years

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      #3
      Originally posted by Funky_Monk
      Almost every modern boxer would beat the older ones on a now vs then basis.

      If the older ones were given the same levels of training and nutrition now practised the ones with more natural skills would win most obvious would be Lewis would beat AJ and this is one of the closer gaps in terms of years
      I really doubt Robert Guerrero would beat Prime Thomas Hearns, or Victor Ortiz beating Prime Roberto Duran.

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      • JasonBoxing
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        #4
        Originally posted by Sheldon312
        Terence Crawford vs Wilfred Benietez
        Keith Thurman vs Sugar Ray Robinson
        Errol Spence Jr vs Sugar Ray Leonard
        Gennady Golovkin vs Marvin Hagler
        Vasyl Lomachencko vs Willie Pep
        Andre Ward vs Monzon
        Shawn Porter vs Forrest
        Manny Pacquiao vs Roberto Duran
        Floyd vs Pernell Whitaker
        Deontay Wilder vs George Foreman
        Anthony Joshua vs Lewis
        Since boxers have got better over time does this mean that the old school boxers wouldn't stand a chance against today's technicians and power punchers?
        Boxing have evolved. You are just using time lines to boost your point of view and debate. Some of those examples are horrible examples of old school vs new. Sorry

        Lewis was 90's to early 2000's era. That's modern era. There is literally no difference between Lewis/Bowe/Ruddock and say Pulev/Joshua/Wlad. In fact 90's was probably bigger.

        Forrest was even closer. I think he was mid 2000's. That's like yesterday.....lol

        80's welterweights were huge. So once again bad comparison.

        A better example will be how will a 1920's Heavyweight Champion do against Lennox Lewis? See. Modern is better.

        When people say 'modern', they don't mean 2017 Dillian Whyte modern. When people say modern is >than old they mean

        Lennox/Roy/Tyson/Holyfield/Vitali/Wlad will beat the utter shyt out of the Rocky Marcianos.........Which is true.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Sheldon312
          Terence Crawford vs Wilfred Benietez
          Keith Thurman vs Sugar Ray Robinson
          Errol Spence Jr vs Sugar Ray Leonard
          Gennady Golovkin vs Marvin Hagler
          Vasyl Lomachencko vs Willie Pep
          Andre Ward vs Monzon
          Shawn Porter vs Forrest
          Manny Pacquiao vs Roberto Duran
          Floyd vs Pernell Whitaker

          Deontay Wilder vs George Foreman
          Anthony Joshua vs Lewis
          Since boxers have got better over time does this mean that the old school boxers wouldn't stand a chance against today's technicians and power punchers?
          I'll talk about the interesting ones.

          Pacquiao does not beat Roberto Duran prime for prime in any equation.

          The simplest equation: Duran is one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time to go along with his being one of the greatest offensive fighters of all time. Manny Pacquiao can only claim one side, one half of that equation. He's coming up short. Period.

          For Mayweather vs. Whitaker; I don't see how anyone with a keen enough eye and enough understanding who could watch Whitaker - a fighter who had so much control over his body and his movement he makes Floyd look frantic - a fighter in my estimation who was clearly better at unifying offense and defense far more seamlessly - and was in fact a far superior defensive fighter - and a fighter with more aggressive instincts and less fear - wouldn't understand why he would have the competitive edge.

          In the grand scheme Whitaker was A+. Mayweather is just an A. I have never seen Floyd do anything in a ring that made me think he was on Pernell's level. Not one time ever.
          Last edited by A-Wolf; 06-30-2017, 03:12 AM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Funky_Monk
            Almost every modern boxer would beat the older ones on a now vs then basis.

            If the older ones were given the same levels of training and nutrition now practised the ones with more natural skills would win most obvious would be Lewis would beat AJ and this is one of the closer gaps in terms of years
            The only old vs new comparison that can work will be the Heavyweights. Since other weight classes size difference is so much smaller. Hearns/Leonard were actually giants vs today's 147 guys. They will be 154 today due to rehydration.

            Modern=80's to now. Since the physical difference between a Frank Bruno/Tyrell Biggs/Razer Ruddock is minimal compare to say a Derek Chisora. You don't really see a true size difference unless you go back to say the 70's.

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              Id pick the older fighter in all except Monzon vs Ward (Monzon was a MW lol), and maybe Whittaker vs Mayweather (I just dont know enough about Whittaker)

              Duran vs Manny would be an incredible fight.

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              • JasonBoxing
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                Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                Id pick the older fighter in all except Monzon vs Ward (Monzon was a MW lol), and maybe Whittaker vs Mayweather (I just dont know enough about Whittaker)

                Duran vs Manny would be an incredible fight.
                Ya but those aren't really older fighters. They are also pretty modern in terms of physical stature. The OP is trying to say modern is NOT better than old timers. That's not true.

                Modern IS better. You just have to use the correct time lines. If we go by 80's onwards=modern.

                Lewis/Vitali/Tyson/Holyfield will easily cancel out Ali/Holmes/Frazier/Foreman. Than the 2nd tiers of the modern era will destroy the 2nd tiers of the 20's to 70's guys. That's where the gap becomes massive. Prime Razer Ruddock would utterly kill the 10th best HW of 1920 for example.

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                • Tom Cruise
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                  Quick note though, you've gone back in time and picked literally some of the greatest fighters of all time. The chances of a single era being able to compete with 100+ years of history is slim.

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                  • A-Wolf
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Funky_Monk
                    Almost every modern boxer would beat the older ones on a now vs then basis.

                    If the older ones were given the same levels of training and nutrition now practised the ones with more natural skills would win most obvious would be Lewis would beat AJ and this is one of the closer gaps in terms of years
                    If you're talking about now versus 80 years ago. Ok. If you're not then you might want to consider there are many, many alternative factors to the amount of talent and competition currently active in the sport beyond current nutritional and biological factors.

                    Boxing used to be one of the biggest sports in the US. Now it's about as big as women's college softball. 98% of the guys around who are titlists and players wouldn't even be able to sit at the table if the best of the best of the best of humanity was tryna box.

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