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  • soul_survivor
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    #41
    Originally posted by FLEX U.K
    You reckon Eubank was a better SMW than RJJ?
    Yes. Eubank had a full career at smw whereas Jones had a couple of fights. That's not enough evidence for me to go off of. I guess Benn, Eubank and Jones had a common opponent in TM and they all beat him if I'm not mistaken. Again, that's not enough.

    Eubank was the best smw of the 90s, followed by the best smw of the 21st century.

    Now, if someone said "on a one off night, who was the best fighter to have fought AT the weight" I might say Jones...but we're supposed to rank fighters based on h2h, who would come out on top against the majority of fighters they fought. I don't have enough of a sample size to say tha tguy was Jones.

    Eubank on the other hand was the best at 168 at time when the division was at its most competitive.

    Originally posted by robertzimmerman
    Eubank?

    Seriously?

    It has to be Roy.
    See above.

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    • Johnny Steele
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      #42
      Originally posted by larryxxx.
      why do you say he cant take it to the body?
      Because he's been hurt to the body many times. Notably by Rid**** Bowe and that time he got done in by the fat middleweight that couldn't punch his way out of a wet paperbag.

      Originally posted by larryxxx.
      and why does he have a **** chin?
      Because he's been hurt, buckled or dropped far to many times to be considered a guy with a good chin.

      He does recover well and he is a warrior doe.
      But that could be the drugs...

      Marciano would knock his roided a55 out.

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      • soul_survivor
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        #43
        Carrying on my list:

        LMW: Ronald Wright
        WW: Ray Leonard
        JWW: I'll get back to you on that
        LW: Roberto Duran/Benny Leonard ?
        SFW: Manny Pacquiao
        FW: Willie Pep (runners up Barrera, Morales and Hamed)

        Can't be bothered to go any lower.

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        • Johnny Steele
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          #44
          Originally posted by soul_survivor
          Carrying on my list:

          LMW: Ronald Wright
          WW: Ray Leonard
          JWW: I'll get back to you on that
          LW: Roberto Duran/Benny Leonard ?
          SFW: Manny Pacquiao
          FW: Willie Pep (runners up Barrera, Morales and Hamed)

          Can't be bothered to go any lower.
          Winky never beat anybody of note. He got robbed against Hopkins doe.
          I have to agree with the homeboys saying Mccallum for light middle doe

          Ray Leonard was a duck, a cherry picker and drugs cheat.
          Dude couldn't handle good boxers.
          Ray would never beat Norris any time in his career. And Norris is a bum.

          Benny Leonard couldn't take a punch.

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          • Banko Villas
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            #45
            SRL or Mayweather, who was the better welterweight?

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              #46
              Originally posted by Banko Villas
              Who are the H2H best boxers ever in each division?

              Heavyweight: Easily Lewis.
              Cruiserweight: Easily Holyfield.
              Light heavyweight: Easily RJJ.
              Super middleweight: Easily RJJ.
              Middleweight Easily RJJ.
              Light Middleweight: McCallum.
              Welterweight: Mayweather or SRL.

              The lower divisions are more difficult to rank, though, so let's focus on them.
              Light Heavyweight sorry it's either Bob Foster or Micheal Spinks. Roy may be the best middleweight. These lists are very subjective but fun.

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              • Johnny Steele
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                #47
                Originally posted by New England
                tommy hearns.


                ray leonard would have been a handful as well, but he didn't spend a ton of time there. it's a migratory weight class, the money has always been at 147 and 160.
                Originally posted by robertzimmerman
                Mike was a great fighter.

                For me, it has to be between him and Tommy.
                Why would you name this gutless chicken as the best lmw ever?

                glass chinned sissy was a duck. He **** his pants whenever mccallum or mugabi were mentioned. This immediately disqualifies him from being considered a great lmw.

                Him and that ****bag steward did mccallum all kinds of wrong. I hope steward is burning in hell for that.

                And Tommy looked like garbage against the likes of benitez and the legendary luigi minchillo.

                This chinnless wonder isn't even a top 50 lmw if you are being fair and objective.

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                • Johnny Steele
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Banko Villas
                  SRL or Mayweather, who was the better welterweight?
                  Neither were very good at the weight. And both were cherrypickers.

                  Carmen Basilio stops both in under 6 rounds.

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                  • Banko Villas
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                    #49
                    Johnny Steele, I suspect you of trolling.

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                    • New England
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Johnny Steele
                      Why would you name this gutless chicken as the best lmw ever?

                      glass chinned sissy was a duck. He **** his pants whenever mccallum or mugabi were mentioned. This immediately disqualifies him from being considered a great lmw.

                      Him and that ****bag steward did mccallum all kinds of wrong. I hope steward is burning in hell for that.

                      And Tommy looked like garbage against the likes of benitez and the legendary luigi minchillo.

                      This chinnless wonder isn't even a top 50 lmw if you are being fair and objective.

                      that gutless chicken fought all time greats below and ABOVE the weight class

                      we're not measuring resumes at the weight. we're measuring ability. hearns had issues making 147 and was much more comfortable at the weight. additionally, any matchmaking concerns or misses regarding his selection of opponents at the ewight can be attributed exclusively to money. the big fights after hearns moved up from 147 were duran, the leonard rematch, and hagler, all of whom he fought. knocked out duran, a fighter who had successes below and above 154 and who was durable enought o take iran barkley's gas and strong enough to knock him around the ring, and should 100% have gotten the decision in the leonard rematch.


                      going back to the argument that hearns is the best h2h boxer of all time at the division, you saw how much better he did against leonard at a higher weight, and how much better he was able to take his punch in spite of the fact that he'd had his brain rattled much more at that stage in his career and that he was well past his best. you also have the dimensions, punching power, boxing skills, and style that made him a very complete fighter at the weight given that he didn't have to dry out to make weight that morning.


                      as for mccallum, they were f#cking sparring partners
                      go look on the internet and you'll see them sparring at kronk. you think the all time great with an established career was afraid of his sparring partner?


                      if you can't tell who is in control in this sparring session [and who runs the gym,] you just don't know boxing.

                      expect you're a troll, but i bit anyway

                      here you go:



                      h2h doe.

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