Comments Thread For: Canelo: I Have To Be Smart, Elusive, Not Stand in Front of GGG

[aboutfkntime]

Man you're almost as much of a pedant as I am. Undoubtedly the regard in which boxers are held can be adjusted both up (and down, although you appear to contend otherwise) by the subsequent performances of their opponents. In the main this ain't gonna be a big shift since in general if the level of the opponent was correctly judged appropriate credit will already have been given depending on how well said opponent was regarded at the time. It will only change how 'great' a boxer is seen as if it subsequently becomes clear that the level of the opponent - at the time they fought - was either significantly under or over regarded.

You following, man? Let me know if I stopped making sense...:

Soooo. Yes. If it were possible to show that at the time Floyd fought Canelo that Canelo was actually a lot better than everyone thought then it'd be reasonable to elevate Floyd's status Equally if it were possible to show that Canelo were a lot worse than we thought - at the time he fought Floyd - one would have to withdraw some of the credit that had been given to Floyd for the win, correct? In either case, given that the young Canelo was basically a footnote to Floyds ATG (I don't think too many folk should have a problem with me saying that) career, any shift positive or negative would be almost infinitesimally small at least IMO. Problem we have is that is incredibly hard to demonstrate now whether or not we had Canelos level measured right then. If the kid beats GGG now how do we know that it's not a result of his development since he fought Floyd? The kid's grown both physically, matured in style and has gained a wealth of big fight experience. So regardless of whether or not he beats Golovkin we will never be able to say for sure that it's not his improvements since fighting Floyd that made the difference.


Man. Now that was a waste of time but I think it made sense. If it didn't we can wrangle over it some more, but I think I'm on solid ground. Personally I think it's a load of tosh. Like saying Margarito should get credit for all Maravilla's subsequent wins... but hey I can grasp the concept just fine even if I think it's a bit meaningless.

The underlying issue however is that regardless of the validity (or lack thereof) of your contention that Canelo winning would make Floyd greater, only a fanboy (forgive me. man, I'm just using the term as shorthand ) would say this:



when confronted with a thread about Canelo discussing his tactics in a fight that has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd. I mean honestly, man, what even prompted you to say that?

you never started making sense

that post fits in nicely with the other dumb **** you say

so..... you disputed that a win over Golovkin will enhance Canelo's standing, along with Mayweather's.....

and then you crawled up your own ass and said this.....

"If it were possible to show that at the time Floyd fought Canelo that Canelo was actually a lot better than everyone thought then it'd be reasonable to elevate Floyd's status"

it Canelo beats Golovkin, he will have proven that

you are simply whining like a b1tch dude

it's all good, keep it up LMAO

[aboutfkntime]

the Kovalev-whine is all but finished

the Golovkin-whine is all but finished

so here you are..... whining about rubbish

[aboutfkntime]

"some weird Calzaghe fan claiming that all Hopkins' subsequent wins 'made Calzaghe greater'"

[Squ□redCircle34]

It's easy to have very good footwork against a guy who isn't even doing much. Canelo magically wont' improve his footwork. It takes lots of time to get better at it. His stamina won't be able to keep it up considering that he has stamina issues to begin with not using his feet much, imagine actually using them, he'd get even more tired. Canelo has improved but its just not enough against GGG.

I respect your opinion since you know your ****!

However, Canelo has shown something different in each fight and whether or not Chavez wasn't doing much it doesn't matter when Canelo actually did something he's never done before and executed it as if he's been working on it!

He's worked on countering off the ropes, counter jabs and counter off his own jab, throwing his own jab, upper body movement and head movement and now finally against Chavez he showed he can get on his toes a bit!

I think Canelo will show something else out of his tool bag and his is much deeper than Golovkin's is!

Golovkin has hit his ceiling in terms of improvement and potential but Canelo is close to peaking in those regards!

Golovkin will find out how sharp this kid is and how underrated his IQ is, he's gonna think he can keep taking punches till he gets caught with a counter he doesn't see coming, I'm thinking a body shot!

Can't wait

[Citizen Koba]

you never started making sense

that post fits in nicely with the other dumb **** you say

so..... you disputed that a win over Golovkin will enhance Canelo's standing, along with Mayweather's.....

and then you crawled up your own ass and said this.....

"If it were possible to show that at the time Floyd fought Canelo that Canelo was actually a lot better than everyone thought then it'd be reasonable to elevate Floyd's status"

it Canelo beats Golovkin, he will have proven that

you are simply whining like a b1tch dude

it's all good, keep it up LMAO

And you've just proven that you either can't read or can't understand, fanboy. The fact that fighters and our estimates of their abilities change over time is a bit much for you to grasp, maybe. A win for 2017 Canelo does not prove that 2013 Canelo was better than we thought he was.

I'm right and you know it. Even if I wasn't, you're still ducking the only point I had to make in our little correspondence, which is that only a fanboy would say this:

he could make Mayweather look GREAT in this fight

[aboutfkntime]

And you've just proven that you either can't read or can't understand, fanboy. The fact that fighters and our estimates of their abilities change over time is a bit much for you to grasp, maybe. A win for 2017 Canelo does not prove that 2013 Canelo was better than we thought he was.

I'm right and you know it. Even if I wasn't, you're still ducking the only point I had to make in our little correspondence, which is that only a fanboy would say this:

hahaha wut ????????????????


kid, you have openly stated on multiple occasions that you think Golovkin will beat Canelo


how the fk does a win for 2017 Canelo over Golovkin, NOT prove that 2013 Canelo was better than we thought he was..... when YOU yourself have openly stated that Golovkin will beat Canelo ?????????????

AHAHAHAHAH

you didn't think about that for very long did you? LOL

if Canelo beats Golovkin, so is therefore better than you thought he was 1 hour earlier..... then he is obviously better than you thought he was back in 2013..... right?

wtf?

that is exactly what me, and that Calzaghe fan, were talking about

#clueless

I would just about bet my life that you're a Pacquiao fan as well as a g-tard

hey, is that why you got triggered by a Mayweather comment ?

really?

[aboutfkntime]

"some weird Calzaghe fan claiming that all Hopkins' subsequent wins 'made Calzaghe greater'"


"A win for 2017 Canelo does not prove that 2013 Canelo was better than we thought he was."

[Citizen Koba]

hahaha wut ????????????????


kid, you have openly stated on multiple occasions that you think Golovkin will beat Canelo


how the fk does a win for 2017 Canelo over Golovkin, NOT prove that 2013 Canelo was better than we thought he was..... when YOU yourself have openly stated that Golovkin will beat Canelo ?????????????

AHAHAHAHAH

you didn't think about that for very long did you? LOL

if Canelo beats Golovkin, so is therefore better than you thought he was 1 hour earlier..... then he is obviously better than you thought he was back in 2013..... right?

wtf?

that is exactly what me, and that Calzaghe fan, were talking about

#clueless

I would just about bet my life that you're a Pacquiao fan as well as a g-tard

hey, is that why you got triggered by a Mayweather comment ?

really?

Your dumbness is getting out of hand, man. I don't think I can actually explain it in simpler terms that I already have. Are you trying to tell me that Canelo has not changed as a fighter since 2013? My estimate of him it 2013 was that he was a very promising young champion but that he had been somewhat protected and that he was a bit green at the top level. That is the guy that Floyd beat and he gained the appropriate amount of credit for it. What Floyd does not get credit for - what does not 'make Floyd greater' is the improvements and growth in Canelo in the 4 years since they fought. Because that would be ******.

Anyways, man, you win. You've finally worn me down with your mindless repetition so I'll let you have the last word.

he could make Mayweather look GREAT in this fight

[A-Wolf]

he has shown more against higher level opponents

Mayweather prepared Canelo for Golovkin

..... who prepared Golovkin for Canelo ?

we saw how Golovkin's resume prepared him for Jacobs

Oh, ok. Like how Shane Mosley prepared Vernon Forrest for Carlos Mayorga? Or how Cory Spinks prepared Zab Judah for Carlos Baldomir? Prepared?? Prepared? You're a boxing fan and you're trying to use one dimensional theory on another boxing fan. You're defeating the entire purpose of being a boxing fan, genius. Canelo has faced better opponents so he automatically wins? GTFOH.

[aboutfkntime]

Your dumbness is getting out of hand, man. I don't think I can actually explain it in simpler terms that I already have. Are you trying to tell me that Canelo has not changed as a fighter since 2013? My estimate of him it 2013 was that he was a very promising young champion but that he had been somewhat protected and that he was a bit green at the top level. That is the guy that Floyd beat and he gained the appropriate amount of credit for it. What Floyd does not get credit for - what does not 'make Floyd greater' is the improvements and growth in Canelo in the 4 years since they fought. Because that would be ******.

Anyways, man, you win. You've finally worn me down with your mindless repetition so I'll let you have the last word.

kid, after that loss to Mayweather..... Canelo could have fallen into obscurity, taken more losses, and never achieved a single thing..... leading observers to believe that he was never much to begin with, causing them to undervalue that win

but, he did not.....

and IF he beats Golovkin, Canelo will become the face of boxing

and IF he carries on in that manner, he could become a legend

a legend who got absolutely schooled by the mercurial Mayweather

that is how it works kid

even Cliff Rold from boxingscene, with his MAAT articles, measures the extent of a fighters greatness, by examining the extent of greatness in fighters they beat

how the fk else could he possibly do it, dumbass ?

sit yo ass down