Comments Thread For: Canelo: I Have To Be Smart, Elusive, Not Stand in Front of GGG

[Citizen Koba]

you sound like a clueless butthurt kid

Q: son, if Canelo beats Golovkin, what will happen next..... ?

A: he will rule middleweight, and become the face of boxing

he could become an absolute legend

a legend, who got completely SCHOOLED and OUTCLASSED by the mercurial Mayweather..... losing every single round, and being unable to hit Mayweather with a handful of rice

if you don't understand how a stellar career from Canelo will impact on how his loss to Mayweather will be viewed by historians..... then you need to pay more attention to the sport you claim to love.....

shutting your pie-hole and listening to insiders would be a great way to start..... especially with your shocking track record

and attempting to be honest/unbiased should be your next step

good luck ^^

TIP: this is the ******est comment in your post above.....

"some weird Calzaghe fan claiming that all Hopkins' subsequent wins 'made Calzaghe greater'"

Canastota goes through your books at the end of your era, not at the end of your career...... the totality of your greatness is measure AFTER all of your achievements are in the book..... NOT BEFORE

FACT: Calzaghe's win over Hopkins will be held in higher regard now, than it would be if Hopkins retired immediately following that fight/loss

that comment above exposed you

how amusing/ironic that you should have listened/learned from the "weirdo" that you ridiculed

dumbass

Just messin' with you, man.

There's no getting around the fact that you said this though.

he could make Mayweather look GREAT in this fight

The only person that would go into a fight between two of the top guys in the sport thinking about how good it could make his favourite fighter look is a fanboy, man. There's no getting around it.

It would have been better if you just fessed up instead of trying to justify it - you're digging your fanboy hole deeper with every sentence you write - but that's OK I don't give a fuck, man.

You probably need to take yourself a little less seriously though.

[Elroy The Great]

you also shouldnt have your hands behind your back and fight with your eyes closed.

[aboutfkntime]

WTF are you babbling about? I was offering people ban bets that Ward was going to beat Kovalev again. Go ahead and tell me how Canelo's career prepared him for Golovkin. This is starting to get boring.

he has shown more against higher level opponents

Mayweather prepared Canelo for Golovkin

..... who prepared Golovkin for Canelo ?

we saw how Golovkin's resume prepared him for Jacobs

[aboutfkntime]

Just messin' with you, man.

There's no getting around the fact that you said this though.


The only person that would go into a fight between two of the top guys in the sport thinking about how good it could make his favourite fighter look is a fanboy, man. There's no getting around it.

It would have been better if you just fessed up instead of trying to justify it - you're digging your fanboy hole deeper with every sentence you write - but that's OK I don't give a fuck, man.

You probably need to take yourself a little less seriously though.

so ,Mayweather is my favorite fighter now ?

..... are you sure ?

let's not forget, you said this.....

"some weird Calzaghe fan claiming that all Hopkins' subsequent wins 'made Calzaghe greater'"

..... were you messing with that guy too, were ya?

[Mister Wolf]

Looking forward to seeing this slick Canelo try to dodge GGG's hurt bombs.

[Citizen Koba]

so ,Mayweather is my favorite fighter now ?

..... are you sure ?

let's not forget, you said this.....

"some weird Calzaghe fan claiming that all Hopkins' subsequent wins 'made Calzaghe greater'"

..... were you messing with that guy too, were ya?

Nah. The Calzaghe dude was a while back and I didn't say anything that time... still thought it was pretty silly though.

And I've no idea who your favourite fighter is, and I don't care, man. If it is Floyd, good for you, you backed a winner and the greatest fighter of his generation. If not, well, I wish your guy luck, whoever it is.

Look man like I say, I was just teasing you cos you brought Floyd into a thread about GGG - Canelo. I ain't stressed, just having a bit of fun. But riddle me this, man. What would have been your response if out of the blue on this thread I'd opined the corollary of what you said: that if GGG won it'd make Floyd less great? That would have just been dumb hating, right? I think it would anyway... so.

[Graz]

Canelo will spend too much time in the ropes and fight too much in spurts. He doesnt have the stamina to stay away from GGG....

I think he'll get stopped around the 6th or so... He'll definitely go out on his shield though

I think you're right about that. Canelo likes to counter when his back is on the ropes. His idea of being "elusive" doesn't jive with his boxing style thus far. Golovkin delivers a lot of punishment to guys with that style. Canelo has a good chin so it will be interesting to see if he can stand up to real power. We will see if the young buck can take down the lion. Looking forward to this one.

[aboutfkntime]

Nah. The Calzaghe dude was a while back and I didn't say anything that time... still thought it was pretty silly though.

And I've no idea who your favourite fighter is, and I don't care, man. If it is Floyd, good for you, you backed a winner and the greatest fighter of his generation. If not, well, I wish your guy luck, whoever it is.

Look man like I say, I was just teasing you cos you brought Floyd into a thread about GGG - Canelo. I ain't stressed, just having a bit of fun. But riddle me this, man. What would have been your response if out of the blue on this thread I'd opined the corollary of what you said: that if GGG won it'd make Floyd less great? That would have just been dumb hating, right? I think it would anyway... so.

i made an obvious common-sense observation, to prove my point

you decided to see things that weren't there, and run with them

if you cannot understand what that guy was telling you..... or what I am telling you..... then I doubt that you have a very solid grasp on how this game works

in fact, this comment proves it.....
"if GGG won it'd make Floyd less great"

Mayweather's win over Canelo..... is what it is

but if Canelo's position within the sport is elevated, and even with the benefit of hindsight he happens to be held in higher regard by historians..... that will inflate Mayweather's win over Canelo..... as-in, it will be viewed with a slightly different perspective in context with Canelo's career

that has happened MANY times throughout history

it is basic common-sense, no boxing knowledge required

no idea which part you don't understand

I am positive that my earlier advice was correct

[TheSlickster]

Canelo gonna shock lots of people once again!

No one is talking about how his foot movement looked much better when he fought Chavez and he actually was side stepping and moving laterally quicker than given credit!

Every fight Canelo shows something new and every nuance counts in boxing and I got a feeling he'll show something really subtle that will catch Golovkin by surprise!

Get your popcorn ready, get your popcorn!

It's easy to have very good footwork against a guy who isn't even doing much. Canelo magically wont' improve his footwork. It takes lots of time to get better at it. His stamina won't be able to keep it up considering that he has stamina issues to begin with not using his feet much, imagine actually using them, he'd get even more tired. Canelo has improved but its just not enough against GGG.

[Citizen Koba]

i made an obvious common-sense observation, to prove my point

you decided to see things that weren't there, and run with them

if you cannot understand what that guy was telling you..... or what I am telling you..... then I doubt that you have a very solid grasp on how this game works

in fact, this comment proves it.....
"if GGG won it'd make Floyd less great"

Mayweather's win over Canelo..... is what it is

but if Canelo's position within the sport is elevated, and even with the benefit of hindsight he happens to be held in higher regard by historians..... that will inflate Mayweather's win over Canelo..... as-in, it will be viewed with a slightly different perspective in context with Canelo's career

that has happened MANY times throughout history

it is basic common-sense, no boxing knowledge required

no idea which part you don't understand

I am positive that my earlier advice was correct

Man you're almost as much of a pedant as I am. Undoubtedly the regard in which boxers are held can be adjusted both up (and down, although you appear to contend otherwise) by the subsequent performances of their opponents. In the main this ain't gonna be a big shift since in general if the level of the opponent was correctly judged appropriate credit will already have been given depending on how well said opponent was regarded at the time. It will only change how 'great' a boxer is seen as if it subsequently becomes clear that the level of the opponent - at the time they fought - was either significantly under or over regarded.

You following, man? Let me know if I stopped making sense...

Soooo. Yes. If it were possible to show that at the time Floyd fought Canelo that Canelo was actually a lot better than everyone thought then it'd be reasonable to elevate Floyd's status Equally if it were possible to show that Canelo were a lot worse than we thought - at the time he fought Floyd - one would have to withdraw some of the credit that had been given to Floyd for the win, correct? In either case, given that the young Canelo was basically a footnote to Floyds ATG (I don't think too many folk should have a problem with me saying that) career, any shift positive or negative would be almost infinitesimally small at least IMO. Problem we have is that is incredibly hard to demonstrate now whether or not we had Canelos level measured right then. If the kid beats GGG now how do we know that it's not a result of his development since he fought Floyd? The kid's grown both physically, matured in style and has gained a wealth of big fight experience. So regardless of whether or not he beats Golovkin we will never be able to say for sure that it's not his improvements since fighting Floyd that made the difference.


Man. Now that was a waste of time but I think it made sense. If it didn't we can wrangle over it some more, but I think I'm on solid ground. Personally I think it's a load of tosh. Like saying Margarito should get credit for all Maravilla's subsequent wins... but hey I can grasp the concept just fine even if I think it's a bit meaningless.

The underlying issue however is that regardless of the validity (or lack thereof) of your contention that Canelo winning would make Floyd greater, only a fanboy (forgive me. man, I'm just using the term as shorthand ) would say this:

he could make Mayweather look GREAT in this fight

when confronted with a thread about Canelo discussing his tactics in a fight that has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd. I mean honestly, man, what even prompted you to say that?