Comments Thread For: Hopkins: Kovalev Stoppage Was Legit, Ward Wore Him Down

[b00g13man]

For all the real "heads" out here, this was a good article by Frank Lotierzo for The Sweet Science:

http://www.thesweetscience.com/featu...etter-prepared

That was a really good read. Thanks.

[KillaCamNZ]

It doesn't matter what anyone says - the Kovalev excusers will continue their defiance of common sense.

[aboutfkntime]

Originally Posted by Bronx2245
For all the real "heads" out here, this was a good article by Frank Lotierzo for The Sweet Science:

http://www.thesweetscience.com/featu...etter-prepared

That was a really good read. Thanks.

i second that ^^

everyone should read that article, especially the casuals/whiners

[etech1]

It's not a matter of comparison. All your arguments in favor of Russia are equivalent to pointing fingers at everyone else, or outright disregarding of facts. I tell you that doping is state sponsored in Russia, you tell me that EVERYONE does it. I tell you that ****sexuals are persecuted within Russian territory, you blame Islam, and call it fake news. You can believe whatever foolishness you want, and we can debate all day, but it doesn't change the fact that this is a boxing forum, and Kovalev showed a one-dimensional skill-set & poor stamina in both fights against Ward. This fight was comparable, in many ways, to Joe Louis' rematch victory over Max Schmeling before the start of WW2. Among the non-political similarities is the fact that both fights were stopped on 'controversial' body blows.

Dam.n, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you'd come back with something good that would educate me.... maybe teach me something that i didnt know. : ( Im always open to learning somthing new if its legit. That's ok though, maybe next time.

I'm not pro Russia, with their communist/socialist ways that mirror the far left and far right. I was simply referring too the mainstream news watching idiots, (who post on here), rail against Russia, because thats what the TV tells them to do. Lol

Lol.... yeah, I'm sure that no fighter sponcering party in the west, would make sure that their fighter had all the "goodies" that the boxer may need/want. Only the elites in Russia would conceive of such a thing.

Darn those russians...... lol

I'm feeling so threatened by them right now. I better turn on CNN to get an update. Lmao.

I'm lifting weights right now son.... I might reply to the rest of your BS tomorrow or some other time. Lol. Take care. : )

[Lomasexual]

Originally Posted by Bronx2245
For all the real "heads" out here, this was a good article by Frank Lotierzo for The Sweet Science:

http://www.thesweetscience.com/featu...etter-prepared







i second that ^^

everyone should read that article, especially the casuals/whiners

I agree with most of it, it matches my predictions too. Ward was able to adapt more, it is as simple as that.

I'm not really comfortable with the onus being on a fighter to respond to dirty tactics with dirty tactics. I'm not a fan of dirty fighting in any sense.

I think one of the reasons I have never really warmed to Ward is that he is a really dirty fighter - yet he has absolutely no need to be. He is skilled enough not to need to rely on dirty tactics.
He's the legit P4P #1 and he would still be there by fighting totally cleanly. He doesn't need to fight dirty, he doesn't really have any excuses - he just does it because that is who he is as a person.

I know some people think it is just part of boxing. I suppose in some ways it is, it always has been too. I just wish it wasn't.

[Redd Foxx]

I agree with most of it, it matches my predictions too. Ward was able to adapt more, it is as simple as that.

I'm not really comfortable with the onus being on a fighter to respond to dirty tactics with dirty tactics. I'm not a fan of dirty fighting in any sense.

I think one of the reasons I have never really warmed to Ward is that he is a really dirty fighter - yet he has absolutely no need to be. He is skilled enough not to need to rely on dirty tactics.
He's the legit P4P #1 and he would still be there by fighting totally cleanly. He doesn't need to fight dirty, he doesn't really have any excuses - he just does it because that is who he is as a person.

I know some people think it is just part of boxing. I suppose in some ways it is, it always has been too. I just wish it wasn't.

Because he's opponent is bending over, causing a couple shots to go low (while others landed clean), "that's who he is as a person"?? What about Loma crying to the ref constantly? Does that mean that's "who he is as a person"?
I think you're reading the Freedom guide to being an emotional boxing fan.

[etech1]

LOL! you know a lot about Americans TV! you past your time on it or what? Hahaha, and all the russian TV & media don't do propaganda right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

But it's more than clear that russian live in lie and fear...

Lol....... no..... I don't waste my life watching TV, but I don't have to watch it to know that it's equal to state run media.

Just a little bit of research tells me that Viacom, Disney, time Warner, CBS, and..... 2 other companies own 90% of the voices in the land.

Newspapers, magazines, radio stations, ECT, and all of mainstream TV.

They decide what the masses are to think and feel.

Since the FCC deregulation, that started with bush 41, and was continued and completed with clinton, (i.e. bipartisan), the billionaires of the world were able to just buy up all the voices in the land.

The elites are incredibly smart.

The evil that they do is repulsive, but their genius is impressive.

And yes, of course the Russian people live in fear too. The commoners are pawns there too, just like in the west.

[Lomasexual]

Because he's opponent is bending over, causing a couple shots to go low (while others landed clean), "that's who he is as a person"?? What about Loma crying to the ref constantly? Does that mean that's "who he is as a person"?
I think you're reading the Freedom guide to being an emotional boxing fan.

Ward is dirty, and has always been dirty. That isn't just an observation from one fight.

I don't always like what Loma does in the ring, I figure it is a result of the way the Salido fight went that makes him over-react. Anyway, tu quoque is a pretty useless thing to bring to a thread.

So do you wish that fighters were never dirty? Or do you respect someone who is good at getting away with dirty tactics?

[Redd Foxx]

Ward is dirty, and has always been dirty. That isn't just an observation from one fight.

I don't always like what Loma does in the ring, I figure it is a result of the way the Salido fight went that makes him over-react. Anyway, tu quoque is a pretty useless thing to bring to a thread.

So do you wish that fighters were never dirty? Or do you respect someone who is good at getting away with dirty tactics?

I like gritty fighters that can get rough. Froch vs Ward was tremendous in that respect. They both got ugly and went to war. This perception that Ward only wins via cheating is ignorant so I sometimes call people out on it. He's active in the clinch (but is labeled someone who "holds"), hasn't has a headbutt issue in a long time, hasn't done anything that could be considered an intentionally low blow (but people are screaming about punches when kov was bending over).

I don't like guys like Salido and Hopkins, who just flat-out cheat and train to cheat. It's a popular thing these days for people to throw ugly labels on things they don't like. IE; Trump voters are "racists". A lot of people don't like Ward so he gets these "cheater" and "arrogant" labels because they can't discredit him any other way.

[Lomasexual]

I like gritty fighters that can get rough. Froch vs Ward was tremendous in that respect. They both got ugly and went to war. This perception that Ward only wins via cheating is ignorant so I sometimes call people out on it. He's active in the clinch (but is labeled someone who "holds"), hasn't has a headbutt issue in a long time, hasn't done anything that could be considered an intentionally low blow (but people are screaming about punches when kov was bending over).

I don't like guys like Salido and Hopkins, who just flat-out cheat and train to cheat. It's a popular thing these days for people to throw ugly labels on things they don't like. IE; Trump voters are "racists". A lot of people don't like Ward so he gets these "cheater" and "arrogant" labels because they can't discredit him any other way.

I like fighters that are tough as nails, and have a bit of mongrel in them.
That doesn't include the guys who use their heads, forearms, elbows or push too much etc.

I didn't like Froch for a while because he flapped his gums too much. But he won me over because he was tough as nails and he backed up what he said in the ring. He was a mongrel, but clean enough.

I have a lot of respect for Ward's fighting ability. I totally agree that he is the P4P #1 and that he doesn't need any dirty tactics. Which is why I find it so frustrating that he always seems to be pushing those boundaries.
He doesn't need to do it, and it is something I wish we saw less of in boxing.