Higher All Time: Sergio Martinez or Gennady Golovkin

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Who did GGG beat better than Pavlik and Williams?

What? Who did GGG beat that are better fighters than the fighters Martinez beat? Martinez has a better resume and fought better fighters.

Paul Williams has no wins at 160. He was best at 147. Pavlik was a good win but GGG has

Murray
Geale
Jacobs
Lemieux
Macklin
Proska

Vs

Williams
Pavlik
Barker
Macklin
Chavez Jr
Drizinruk

[Larry the boss]

Paul Williams has no wins at 160. He was best at 147. Pavlik was a good win but GGG has

Murray
Geale
Jacobs
Lemieux
Macklin
Proska

Vs

Williams
Pavlik
Barker
Macklin
Chavez Jr
Drizinruk

so how is GGG's wins better?

[joseph5620]

Golovkin. Better overall resume and more dominant.

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so how is GGG's wins better?

They were ranked at middleweight when he fought them. And he has no losses where Sergio has a loss to Cotto moving up in weight.

[joseph5620]

Paul Williams has no wins at 160. He was best at 147. Pavlik was a good win but GGG has

Murray
Geale
Jacobs
Lemieux
Macklin
Proska

Vs

Williams
Pavlik
Barker
Macklin
Chavez Jr
Drizinruk

I agree. In addition to that, Martinez was stopped by Margarito. If we're talking all time ratings you can't just ignore the fights that Martinez lost.

[LADIV]

Golovkin. Beat better fighters and was more dominant in doing so

what better fighters were those that you speak of

[asgarth]

Kelly Pavlik
Daniel Jacobs
David Lemieux
Paul Williams
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Martin Murray
Martin Murray
Daniel Geale
Willie Monroe Jr.
Serhiy Dzinziruk
Darren Barker
Matthew Macklin
Matthew Macklin
Marco Antonio Rubio


Fighter in italics are Martinez wins. I think they are relatively on par, but Martinez edges it with a better single win.
Pavlik was lineal, even though he was embarassed by Hopkins couple fights before.

Paul Williams was a nightmare for guys who cant handle his nonstop throwing, but I do think that he is a tad overrated, especially for a win at middleweight.

Chavez was never all that good, but the Freddie roach version that martinez had to face was decent enough to beat andy lee.

But if Golovkin beats Canelo, he has a deeper resume. Another thought, can you imagine Canelo Vs Pavlik? Canelo is fighting at middleweight now, but Pavlik was extremely big for 160.

[satiev1]

Lol let's see guy who got stopped by margarito and then cotto or one of the most dominant mw's of all time. HMMMMM. TOUGH ONE.

[satiev1]

Kelly Pavlik
Daniel Jacobs
David Lemieux
Paul Williams
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Martin Murray
Martin Murray
Daniel Geale
Willie Monroe Jr.
Serhiy Dzinziruk
Darren Barker
Matthew Macklin
Matthew Macklin
Marco Antonio Rubio


Fighter in italics are Martinez wins. I think they are relatively on par, but Martinez edges it with a better single win.
Pavlik was lineal, even though he was embarassed by Hopkins couple fights before.

Paul Williams was a nightmare for guys who cant handle his nonstop throwing, but I do think that he is a tad overrated, especially for a win at middleweight.

Chavez was never all that good, but the Freddie roach version that martinez had to face was decent enough to beat andy lee.

But if Golovkin beats Canelo, he has a deeper resume. Another thought, can you imagine Canelo Vs Pavlik? Canelo is fighting at middleweight now, but Pavlik was extremely big for 160.

jACOBS WOULD KO PAVLIK.

[Larry the boss]

They were ranked at middleweight when he fought them. And he has no losses where Sergio has a loss to Cotto moving up in weight.

Those you listed for Martinez were also ranked at middleweight and Martinez actually beat THE MAN at 160 at the time and is a 2 division champion