Got my first dose of UFC last night...

[Bonafide]

Art Jimmerson was a bum alright. First off all he looked like an idiot with the one glove , second he didn't even tap out from a submission...Royce was on top and the guy just quit cuz he coudn't do anything.

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[USA4LIFE]

How many people died when Boxing officially became a sport? Now tell me that the UFC won't go through the same thing. It's is only a matter of time before someone get's choked out or something and doesn't wake up. Someone will die eventually.

[TexDeuce]

not necessarily. it's not about styles vs styles, it's about man vs man. there's a big difference when you're talking about ufc 1-3 when you had gracie, a master at his, against so called "world class" fighters from other disciplines, who all surprisingly rocked the same kind of hill billy accent and mullet... you get the picture?

it's one thing having that bum jimmerson in there against royce, it's a completely different thing when you're talking about a NATURAL fighting machine like a tyson. would grappling be foreign to iron mike? of course. but would mike's superhuman speed, reflex, and power be foreign to gracie? you betcha! and when it all comes down to it, it's gracie who has to deal with mike's attributes first, not the other way around. we've all seen gracie eat a punch while attempting a weak-half assed takedown before, but never from anyone who's EVEN CLOSE to what a mike, or hell, even a rahman, had to offer. even kimo got in some hard shots while in the clinch with gracie, and anyone who follows boxing knows tyson is extremely devastating in that range, and with 4oz/no gloves at all, christ can you imagine what would've happened to royce? to say that ANY top boxer would fall the same way their D-level/washup counterparts have done in mma, is completely false. like in any sport, natural talent and physical ability plays a huge role. and as far as combat sports history is concerned, boxing has always had the most abundant of natural fighters, and that's something that being a "ground wizard" won't be able to overcome all the time.

so if you can honestly say that any upper-middle class, suburban nerd from the local jiu-jitsu/submission grappling school, who pays a hefty sum of 100-150 dollars average monthly can all of a sudden take out someone who's a born badass with ease, you've got another thing coming; cus in reality, it's the man, not the style that wins.

Good post. I never asserted a few things that you brought up though. If Tyson lands a punch or 2, yeah its lights out Gracie. Probably not gonna happen though. If someone has no sprawl or takedown defense and someone shoots in for a takedown, it is hard to avoid going to the ground.

I would say most top level boxers, assuming all they trained is boxing, would get beat in current mma by pro fighters. Add a sprawl to the boxers and then the boxers could knock some people the F out. And no, not every jackoff that grapples can beat a tough street fighter or boxer. Of course not. But men AND styles make fights.

You get a damn good grappler against a damn good boxer, and the percentages go heavily in favor of the grappler in a fight. Good post though. Like I said, if you want to be a "good" or well rounded "fighter", you should be cross trained in striking and grappling. They are both great.

[Zn1]

yeah but throw those mma's in a boxing ring and watch em get schooled

[JDizzle79]

the average MMA'ers boxing skill sucks...not even amatuer lavel

[LionZionist]

I'm a huuuuuge fan of MMA. I understand why it could be boring to some, but that's because you don't study the arts involved in it. When I watch that slow ground work, I understand every step, every hip turn, arm, foot movement that is done. It's not as easy to get for the average person as boxing (simply punching), there's a lot involved, and if you don't know, then you won't like it.

Ask a doctor (like the one I trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu with that did research on the matter), boxing is much more dangerous than professional fighting. People are deemed knocked out way earlier than they are in boxing, which avoids brain injury, as you can see from the spastic original poster, happens a lot in boxing. You get hit, knocked the **** out in boxing and get up and get counted to safety? If you get knocked out enough that you are dazed for the person to land like 3 shots on you, the ref would stop the fight. They don't receive repeated damage to the head. IT'S A FACT.

Kicks to the thigh are gay? I'm sorry, but I train in kickboxing and I'm confident that if I get into a fight, especially with a classical boxer and his stance, if I chop his leg, he'll fall and be hurt BAD. ****, if I fight anyone and chop at their leg and they don't know how to properly defend or absorb it, their **** would get ****ed up. People often do it to cramp up the opponents legs so they can't fight as well. I saw a K-1 kickboxing match in which this great boxer got beat up because he kept getting kicked in the leg. Nothing else, just good old inner-thigh kicks till he couldn't stand anymore.

And yes, Tyson would lose to someone with good ground skills and takedowns. How would he hit someone that's shooting in for a low double leg takedown or an ankle pick. He doesn't train to do that. Pro fighters don't train to do that because it's not effective. I've seen wrestlers eat bare knees and shin kicks from Muay Thai fighters as they go for the takedown and just absorb it as they go for the takedown. The idea behind these takedowns is that I can attack with a double leg or ankle pick, from a distance that you can't strike me. By the time I'm in your striking range, I'm too low to be punched. If you kick me (as many of the people I practiced with have) I can either eat it and pull the leg out, or duck it and ankle pick the person. Even if I clinched up with a striker, it's harder to strike effectively from the clinch (it may hurt a bit, but no k.o.), but I can throw, sweep or even do a brutal suplex.

Lastly, Royce HAS been fighting... In Japan, against much bigger, stronger opponents. Even in the past year he's fought.

I'm sorry you got exposed to MMA/the UFC at such a bad point (I was dissappointed by the fights as well), but at least admit that this **** is real fighting and these people can beat any boxers ass in a real fight.
I like boxing, but when I watched Tony vs. Rachman (sorry about the spelling), I was mad dissappointed. If that was the first Boxing match I ever saw, I would've never watched another again.

UFC's the ****, not the best MMA org, but still nice. And MMA is the ****. It's harder to understand if you never grappled or kickboxed, because it adds all elements/aspects of a fight in it, but you don't gotta be a **** about it.

[BrooklynBomber]

Just in case you did not know, HW boxing knockout legends hit hard.
I mean hard enough to literally take your head off your shoulders. And I am not kidding.

[LionZionist]

I DO think that someone who is wealthy and not no bad-ass CAN take a tough boxer/street brawler if he's a good grappler. I live in Baltimore, you better believe I've SEEN it with my own eyes. And I've been into pro fighting for a long time. We do get legendary street brawlers from all over the world that have been to jail and fought all their life and boxed, who get creamed by school teachers, accountants and all sorts of middle class folk. Like seriously, wtf are you saying? That someone can beat someone in a fight because he's a tough bad-ass? WTF would that do? Without technique, what could he do? Without grappling, what could he do? What could he do to defend the takedown if he doesn't know how or have trained in it. What can he do on the ground if he hasn't trained in it? I know boxing is different, but grappling is much more of a science and you can't beat someone with good grappling if you don't know your **** just because you're a tough guy. We have plenty of golden glove boxers who come into MMA and get walked all over. Everything gets thrown out the window. I don't care how tough you are. I've SEEN tough guys who train in kickboxing and weightlift and streetfought all their lives and are tough souls get schooled by people 50 lbs. less than them when grappling. In Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, size doesn't matter much, it's all technique. Most people here are pretty ignorant about what actually goes on. I'm 135 lbs. and I've beaten so-called bad-asses that weigh well over 200 lbs. Even ones that have wrestled before. I don't care if you believe it or not, it's the truth.
Ken Shamrock was a natural athlete that Royce beat. Dan Severn, a monster of a man that Royce beat.
You guys should learn more before you talk ****, skinny, out of shape, wealthy suburbinites with grappling skills win allll the time in pro-fighting, even against tough streetbrawlers/boxers. It doesn't matter how tough you are if you got no technique. You can be as tough as you want, but all of a sudden once you're taken down (which will happen), you're not so tough no more.

Minotauro beat Bob Sapp. Look them up. Minotauro is about 235 and not in great shape, Sapp is 365 and with a six pack to match. Minotauro won with an armbar. And yes, he took him down.

I train for fighting. I mainly train in grappling. I have a lot of tough guys who come in all beastly and think they can beat me because I'm no tough, physically imposing figure. I get them down, get on top of them, they try to throw me off. One wrong movement such as sticking their arm up too much while throwing me or trying to punch (a lot of people are dumb enough to punch from the bottom of mount), and I put them in an armlock. If I do get put on my back, I can choke them or armbar them from there.

Look up Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira. No tough guy, but beats all of the tough guys. Including former kickboxing champion Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic, and Bob Sapp.

[Bonafide]

Also, I don't care how tough you are. I've SEEN tough guys who train in kickboxing and weightlift and streetfought all their lives and are tough souls get schooled by people 50 lbs. less than them when grappling. In Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, size doesn't matter much, it's all technique. Most people here are pretty ignorant about what actually goes on. I'm 135 lbs. and I've beaten so-called bad-asses that weigh well over 200 lbs. Even ones that have wrestled before. I don't care if you believe it or not, it's the truth.
Ken Shamrock was a natural athlete that Royce beat. Dan Severn, a monster of a man that Royce beat.
You guys should learn more before you talk ****, skinny, out of shape, wealthy suburbinites with grappling skills win allll the time in pro-fighting, even against tough streetbrawlers/boxers. It doesn't matter how tough you are if you got no technique. You can be as tough as you want, but all of a sudden once you're taken down (which will happen), you're not so tough no more.

Minotauro beat Bob Sapp. Look them up. Minotauro is about 235 and not in great shape, Sapp is 365 and with a six pack to match. Minotauro won with an armbar. And yes, he took him down.

I train for fighting. I mainly train in grappling. I have a lot of tough guys who come in all beastly and think they can beat me because I'm no tough, physically imposing figure. I get them down, get on top of them, they try to throw me off. One wrong movement such as sticking their arm up too much while throwing me or trying to punch (a lot of people are dumb enough to punch from the bottom of mount), and I put them in an armlock. If I do get put on my back, I can choke them or armbar them from there.

Look up Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira. No tough guy, but beats all of the tough guys. Including former kickboxing champion Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic, and Bob Sapp.

I think you need to give Dana White a call about getting on
the next TUF4 reality show there bud, lol.

[JDizzle79]

I think you need to give Dana White a call about getting on
the next TUF4 reality show there bud, lol.

Dana white is a scared *****...he has turned down many offers for his 'champs' to fight the pride champs...Tim Sylvia would get a reality check for sure