Jim Lampley and the HBO crew should be ashamed of themselves for doing that to Rigo

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  • Eff Pandas
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    #21
    Its such a bs situation idk that anything makes sense reallllllly except a NC & if it gets switched to anything I'd bet thats what it gets switched to regardless of what this guy said. Bob gives no f#cks about his persona to bend towards the money guy I think we can all agree with him sanctioning a fight between Floyd & a guy making his pro debut with no amateur boxing experience & Rigo is the money guy in this situation so unless Roc Nation don't give this guy a call or has dropped the ball so bad Bob don't even give a f#ck about their opinion or fighter this KO stands or at worst it'll be a NC.

    Personally I'm fine with the KO cuz Flores seemed like he was milking the situation & he wasn't legit KO'd so the real call AT WORST shoulda been Rigo loses a point if that mfer woulda gotten up & fought on as I believe he could have.

    Thats why the spirit of the rulebook is what I feel should win the day. Flores was the one with more intention of cheating by acting like he couldn't continue than Rigo had by landing a punch when both guys were still fighting after the bell.

    Randomly Tyson woulda had like 25 L's on his record if cats woulda just fell down & not got up using this ****** ass logic with all the late punches he used to land on mfers.

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      #22
      Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
      Maybe, but not necessarily. Just because the guy made that statement on TV doesn't mean he'll stick to it. People backtrack all the time, and on much more important issues.
      If Flores appeals, which he most certainly will, it will most certainly get changed to a DQ.

      Shame because Flores clearly dived but the fact is yhe punch that landed was definitely after the bell so technically it is a DQ.

      Unless they decide that he was faking it but there's no way to prove that.
      Last edited by IronDanHamza; 06-18-2017, 12:57 AM.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Eff Pandas
        Its such a bs situation idk that anything makes sense reallllllly except a NC & if it gets switched to anything I'd bet thats what it gets switched to regardless of what this guy said. Bob gives no f#cks about his persona to bend towards the money guy I think we can all agree with him sanctioning a fight between Floyd & a guy making his pro debut with no amateur boxing experience & Rigo is the money guy in this situation so unless Roc Nation don't give this guy a call or has dropped the ball so bad Bob don't even give a f#ck about their opinion or fighter this KO stands or at worst it'll be a NC.

        Personally I'm fine with the KO cuz Flores seemed like he was milking the situation & he wasn't legit KO'd so the real call AT WORST shoulda been Rigo loses a point if that mfer woulda gotten up & fought on as I believe he could have.

        Thats why the spirit of the rulebook is what I feel should win the day. Flores was the one with more intention of cheating by acting like he couldn't continue than Rigo had by landing a punch when both guys were still fighting after the bell.

        Randomly Tyson woulda had like 25 L's on his record if cats woulda just fell down & not got up using this ****** ass logic with all the late punches he used to land on mfers.
        What baffles me more is why even want to win that way?

        Yeah you will have a W over Rigondeaux on your resume but no one will give you credit for it.

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          #24
          Originally posted by darius45
          He wasn't holding when he threw the KO punch. And Flores was punching with him. And the bell JUST rung.... Guys throwing punches just after the bell rings happens in nearly every damn fight! It's not like Rigo threw that punch flagrantly when Flores wasn't fighting or defending himself anymore.
          Yep more or less agree with all of this. This woulds been a soft warning with a hard warning to come if this guy hadn't fallen on the ground like he was shot.

          Guy was also looking all sad & hurt & sh^t TIL he was told that he got KO'd & lost the fight & no DQ was gonna be called if you watch the video. Dude got up & tried to stand on the ropes & was walking around like it was all good lol.

          Idk how you can deal with these situations doe in any clear & concise way 100% of the time doe cuz its not so easy to tell sometimes who's been legit hurt or not or if a guy should be continuing or not. So I'm not envious of anyone's position in this equation, but I ultimately believe the only guy with an intention to cheat or manipulate the rules was Flores by acting more hurt then I believe he was to ideally get a DQ win & a belt if things had worked like he had hoped.

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            #25
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            What baffles me more is why even want to win that way?

            Yeah you will have a W over Rigondeaux on your resume but no one will give you credit for it.
            Everyone isn't made the same. Plenty of guys see a W as a W. Maybe he needs money & knows he'll get more money with a belt & any sort of W over Rigo than if he doesn't have a belt or W over Rigo. There's probably a ton of examples one could find as motivation for a W just being a W.

            I definitely think he sensed he was highly overmatched here & maybe he felt his best course of action was to take a dive & hope for a DQ.

            I mean it was a odd-ish "KO" in that it was a delayed fall & the guy seemed fine on the ground by the look I got yet he never made an attempt to move let alone get up & continue. It felt to me like he decided in milliseconds that was the move & was invested in it from the moment he dropped. He gave the ref no out on "giving him 5 minutes to recovery" or anything that we've seen in the past that could have allowed this fight go on with perhaps Rigo being docked a point before continuing towards a win.

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              #26
              Originally posted by darius45
              He wasn't holding when he threw the KO punch. And Flores was punching with him. And the bell JUST rung.... Guys throwing punches just after the bell rings happens in nearly every damn fight! It's not like Rigo threw that punch flagrantly when Flores wasn't fighting or defending himself anymore.
              He was holding behind the head while punching, which Is Illegal. I never said he was holding behind the head when he threw the KO punch. The KO punch was clearly after the bell. It was not thrown simultaneously with the bell or right before the bell. He knocked the guy out with an Illegal punch. If Flores wouldn't have been knocked out by the punch and was able to continue with the fight then we would obviously have a different situation.

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                #27
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                If Flores appeals, which he most certainly will, it will most certainly get changed to a DQ.

                Shame because Flores clearly dived but the fact is yhe punch that landed was definitely after the bell so technically it is a DQ.

                Unless they decide that he was faking it but there's no way to prove that.
                That's not the way the rules were explained during the broadcast. But there's no denying Rigo landed that shot after the bell.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
                  That's not the way the rules were explained during the broadcast. But there's no denying Rigo landed that shot after the bell.
                  I was at the fight so I've not seen the TV broadcast but I'm quite sure that's how it works.

                  Hopefully it doesn't because even though the punch was illegal Rigondeaux doesn't deserve a ****** L for a guy pretending to be knocked out.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    I was at the fight so I've not seen the TV broadcast but I'm quite sure that's how it works.

                    Hopefully it doesn't because even though the punch was illegal Rigondeaux doesn't deserve a ****** L for a guy pretending to be knocked out.
                    HBO grabbed the commissioner that is in charge of the referees and forced him into an interview. He was very nervous in this interview and did not appreciate being put on the spot like that live on HBO. They basically got him to admit that he will change the decision to a DQ loss for Rigo if indeed the shot was after the bell (we already know it was because HBO replayed it for us). So the commissioner is probably viewing it right now and will change it soon.

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                      #30
                      The Best flores can get is a NC there will not a DQ.

                      Just like Rances ko after bell.

                      To be DQ the ref have to rule intentionally punch that let to a KO and that didn't happen so the best for him a DQ.

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