Can both sides be honest with themselves here?

[vman075]

im a fan of both guys but having to pick one, id pick sog....

1) guys fall into the ropes all the time and theyre not called kd's. refs just position themselves closer, ready to step in.

2) what ?!?!?!? maybe they were ''low'' because of how his own body was positioned ?!?!? 2 of the shots were on the belt.

3) are you saying i have brain damage ? if so, dont be so salty. if not i dont get what you mean by ''man with brain damage''. why is it fan boys get so emotional when their hero is somehow ''dissed''. again, IF you are saying i have brain damage because you feel i slighted your hero, kov wouldnt give 1 shlt if i called you an idiot.

anyway, if you watch the benn vs gman fight, benn wasnt landing any truly thudding shots. even the shots behind the head appeared to be grazing shots. kovs instant reaction appeared to be a call for help, SO, ''OMG'', SETTLE YOURSELF.

4) fan boys are crying bloody murder as if those ''low'' blows were game changers. ''omg, he will never have kids now........and i was so looking forward to seeing them grow up.......''. from his own mouth he said he ''felt them'' but were insignificant. let grown men fight already, damn !

5) did you see how fast the fight changed for jlc vs chico 1 (another weeks fight) ?!?!? 1 second he was landing crisps combos, the next second hes a helpless punching bag. 30 seconds could be long as fnck.

6) moving on.....

7) no youre not allowed to bend your body to such an extent that youre forcing your opponents punches to land illegally. refs will tell a guy to not bend so low or to keep his head ''up''.

8) let the refs handle so called ''low'' blows. obviously they know how boxers use those opportunity to catch a break.

9) whats kovs ko % again ?!?!? and compared to sog's ?!?!?!? do tell me you think kov is more slick brova than a slugging KRUSHER.


take up needle point. you wont get as frustrated.

Don't feel like going point for point again, but I'll clarify the brain damage comment. No, I was not saying you have brain damage. I meant "come on" for mentioning that this was stopped to prevent Kov from getting brain damage. And the "man" was like "come on, man". I guess the correct way would have been "come on with mentioning brain damage, man"

[Elroy The Great]

Don't feel like going point for point again, but I'll clarify the brain damage comment. No, I was not saying you have brain damage. I meant "come on" for mentioning that this was stopped to prevent Kov from getting brain damage. And the "man" was like "come on, man". I guess the correct way would have been "come on with mentioning brain damage, man"

ok. i retract any disparaging comment towards you.....

(fan boys are quick to lose their shlt if they feel their guy is slighted).

.....EXCEPT the ''kov isnt a puncher'' thing. you are COMPLETELY wrong there.

[Canelo and GGG]

1. The stoppage was dreadful and those shots were definitely low.
2. Ward had taken over that round and Kov was going to lose.

If it wasn't by stoppage, he was going to win on points. The fight was about even in rounds at that point and Kov was not only hurt but clearly fading again. Ward had looked much better in the preceding two rounds

BUT

That stoppage was brutal even if those punches were legal. Which they weren't they were all low, some of them very low.

i agree with this ,Ward was takeing over ,some shots was low doe

[Blackclouds]

Kovalev wasn't knocked down but he wasn't protecting himself. Fights get stopped like that all the time. You can't give that type of quitting body language to a ref. Kov only has himself to blame but he's a ***** and looks to blame everybody else for his demise.

[uppercut510]

yeah the stoppage wasnt the best i wished it didnt happen that way but Kov turned his back on ward, cried to the ref over legal blows and IMO wanted out of the fight, bending the way he was bending is illegal. ill give u the last shot as a low blow but it wasnt GOLATA low as some are saying and its not why kov was damn near out. Kov was fading badly and just didnt want any more. Ward landed alot of legal body shots in that round that these posters are acting like never happend. But u simply cant turn your back on your opponent and bend down crying to the ref over everything. ANYONE WHO BOXED BEFORE KNOWS THIS.... His body language and actions led him to lose. And honestly if he made it out of that round he would have been finished.

[Citizen Koba]

That's fair. Ward was winning in 2 of the 3 cards. They give Kovalev an 8 count and I doubt he makes it out of the round and if he somehow did he'd have been down 77-74 on 2 of the cards with 4 rounds to go.

That fight was over whether Weeks stops it or not.

That's just one scenario though. If Weeks had given Ward a point deduction instead of stopping the fight (I don't think a standing 8 was an option) it would have made it a 9 - 9 round and they would have still been at virtual parity. I too think that the fight was only going one way at that point, but wtf do we watch this sport for if not the amazing turn-arounds and comebacks that make the best fights truly memorable? OK probably Ward would have won. Quite possibly he would have stopped Sergei. But saying a stoppage is good based on our beliefs about what might have happened in the unfought rounds is just absurd.

[Porter's Dad]

1. The stoppage was dreadful and those shots were definitely low.
2. Ward had taken over that round and Kov was going to lose.

If it wasn't by stoppage, he was going to win on points. The fight was about even in rounds at that point and Kov was not only hurt but clearly fading again. Ward had looked much better in the preceding two rounds

BUT

That stoppage was brutal even if those punches were legal. Which they weren't they were all low, some of them very low.

Good post. Boxing fans, particularly on this site, seem only to view things in binary terms. It can only be that Ward low-blowed to victory or that Kov got his soul taken.

My opinion - they were clear low blows and the stoppage was ridiculous. But Ward was better last night and was the clear victor of the two in their rivalry overall - mentally tougher, superior conditioning, and the smarter fighter. The stoppage just cost us a clear ending.

[Citizen Koba]

1. The stoppage was dreadful and those shots were definitely low.
2. Ward had taken over that round and Kov was going to lose.

If it wasn't by stoppage, he was going to win on points. The fight was about even in rounds at that point and Kov was not only hurt but clearly fading again. Ward had looked much better in the preceding two rounds

BUT

That stoppage was brutal even if those punches were legal. Which they weren't they were all low, some of them very low.

This is pretty much how I see it. That said - you just never know. The momentum was absolutely in Dre's favour, and I'm 95% sure he would have taken it, but boxing is replete with moments in which a single punch or a single round changes everything. The stoppage was - if you'll forgive the pun - utter bollocks. Probably Weeks should have delivered a point penalty to Ward and given Kovalev a 5 minute respite. I doubt it would have made the difference, but really, who knows?

[j0zef]

Good post. Boxing fans, particularly on this site, seem only to view things in binary terms. It can only be that Ward low-blowed to victory or that Kov got his soul taken.

My opinion - they were clear low blows and the stoppage was ridiculous. But Ward was better last night and was the clear victor of the two in their rivalry overall - mentally tougher, superior conditioning, and the smarter fighter. The stoppage just cost us a clear ending.

This is the absolutely perfect, unbiased summary of the fight. Props to you sir.

[BrometheusBob.]

Good post. Boxing fans, particularly on this site, seem only to view things in binary terms. It can only be that Ward low-blowed to victory or that Kov got his soul taken.

My opinion - they were clear low blows and the stoppage was ridiculous. But Ward was better last night and was the clear victor of the two in their rivalry overall - mentally tougher, superior conditioning, and the smarter fighter. The stoppage just cost us a clear ending.

Good post.