Why would oscar relapse if he punked floyd for the september date?

[bigdunny1]

Cotto is one of the biggest names in the sport he's not Jamal James or something. Fighting on the same day as the biggest fight in boxing history, maybe, isn't a good look for any notable guy let alone a legit draw like Cotto. He's a f#cking boxing trivia question if he fights on the day lol.

But like I said if they just wanna get Cotto active sure keep it. But I think GBP will wanna make money on that fight not just keep him active.

I guess they could include a PPV closed circuit showing of the fight as the main event maybe lol.

I just know if I'm Oscar or Cotto I'm not looking to fight on that date now cuz its cutting into the revenue & to some degree my rep if I'm Cotto & was expecting to do 1M+ ratings with HBO & now that may end up much lower cuz only the boxing nerds are watching.

I mean one can argue Cotto is right up there with the Manny's & Floyd's of boxing without much disagreement with non-fanboys or non-haters & has one of the biggest casual fan bases in the sport so fighting on the same day as one of the few guys with a bigger casual fan base is just not a good move to me call me crazy. But if I'm Cotto & GBP & I just wanna clean the cobwebs than fair play I guess its whatever. I just tend to think Cotto has a bigger ego than I'd have pretending if I was Cotto in this situation & I'd be trying to get out of it if I was in his shoes as stated.

Golden Boy is paid by HBO you know this better then most look at the Haymon fighters who have been paid regardless how terrible the Showtime ratings were. Fighter and promoter were still paid. And again this isn't going head to head you can watch both one is PPV the other isn't and they are different times. Cotto's main goal in this fight is to knock off rust to set up a big fight AFTER. If he cared about making the most money he could in Aug he would of signed to fight a bigger name and it would be on PPV. This is a showcase fight that I bet still draws 1m viewers on HBO.

HBO has aired fights head to head with big fights on Showtime all the time and still pulled strong ratings. What's different here? This isn't even head to head because it's not free on showtime and not the same time.

[Eff Pandas]

First you say this is about casual sports fans now you saying boxing fans are driving this fight?

Are you f#cking with me lol. You are talking about different things so yea different things apply.

Fact: Boxing has never had 2 PPV's within a month of each other do 1M+ buys.

Idk what MMA has to do with anything there. But somehow you thought mentioning Jose Aldo & Ronda Rousey MMA fights made sense. Wut the f#ck?!?!?! I'm legit lost on that 100%.

Fact: Casual boxing fans are the difference between a boxing PPV's that does 400k or less & fights that do 1M+.

What does that got to do thats in conflict with anything I said?

This fight got you feeling some kinda way or something.

[Eff Pandas]

Golden Boy is paid by HBO you know this better then most look at the Haymon fighters who have been paid regardless how terrible the Showtime ratings were. Fighter and promoter were still paid. And again this isn't going head to head you can watch both one is PPV the other isn't and they are different times. Cotto's main goal in this fight is to knock off rust to set up a big fight AFTER. If he cared about making the most money he could in Aug he would of signed to fight a bigger name and it would be on PPV. This is a showcase fight that I bet still draws 1m viewers on HBO.

It could still do a mill. I honestly don't know what he usually does ratings-wise I was just throwing out 1M cuz I recall hearing 1M for some other fight. I don't pay attention to TV ratings much & never have really, but I know Cotto is one of the biggest stars in boxing & it just feels like a bad look for him to fight on the same day as what could end up being the biggest fight in boxing history.

And I guess I feel like Cotto gots a bigger ego than most cats & idk if his fight has been the 2nd biggest fight very often, if at all, since he became who he is. And now a lot of the casual fans likely won't even know he's fighting on that day cuz they don't pay attention to more than one thing at a time in boxing.

Idk we'll see on that one, but I won't be shocked at all if that fight gets moved for undefined reasons or cuz of an "injury".

[bigdunny1]

Are you f#cking with me lol. You are talking about different things so yea different things apply.

Fact: Boxing has never had 2 PPV's within a month of each other do 1M+ buys.

Idk what MMA has to do with anything there. But somehow you thought mentioning Jose Aldo & Ronda Rousey MMA fights made sense. Wut the f#ck?!?!?! I'm legit lost on that 100%.

Fact: Casual boxing fans are the difference between a boxing PPV's that does 400k or less & fights that do 1M+.

What does that got to do thats in conflict with anything I said?

This fight got you feeling some kinda way or something.

Floyd/McGregor will sell because of causal fans not boxing fans. Casual fans are used to buying PPVs 1 month apart hell 1 week apart. The same house parties that are thrown for huge UFC fights are the ones who are driving the PPVs for Floyd fighting a UFC fighter. Boxing fans are the ones that boycotted the Andre Berto fight. Boxing fans make up a small percent. Casual fans are the ones that will buy this and if they can buy Canelo one week and Ronda then next and then Mcgregor 3 weeks later I'm sure they have no problem buying Floyd/McGregor and the next month buying Canelo/GGG. You trying to keep the argument only to boxing PPVs when A there are so few that are even PPV let alone big fights and then you make one argument that casuals are buying this but harp about boxing fans. Both of these are cross over fights where the majority buying them are not hardcore boxing fans. The people buying these have enough disposable income to buy 1 and then buy the other a month later if they want. If you broke and have zero money in your wallet you ain't buying any PPV in the first place. You really trying to pretend like they selling PPVs to someone who can't afford to keep the lights on so the last 100 bucks are going to Floyd LMAO

[Floyd is TBE]

GGG and Canelo ain't doing 1 millions buys. Canelo vs Cotto didn't even do that

[Eff Pandas]

Floyd/McGregor will sell because of causal fans not boxing fans.

I agree.

Casual fans are used to buying PPVs 1 month apart hell 1 week apart.

No they aren't. Casual boxing fans have NEVER bought 2 fights within 30 days of each other based on that 1M+ number being reached. Casual boxing fans don't even got that sorta attention span for boxing I'd argue. They aren't invested in boxing like we are.

The same house parties that are thrown for huge UFC fights are the ones who are driving the PPVs for Floyd fighting a UFC fighter.

You're mixing worlds too much I'd argue. And I think maybe you don't know the UFC/MMA world as well as the boxing world. This fight isn't any bigger with MMA fans than it is with boxing fans. And I'd argue its probably smaller. You thinking most UFC fans are ******* off to this fight just shows me you don't know sh^t about MMA.

I'm a fan of both sports. I'm on message board for both sports. And I hear more about Conor vs Floyd here than on the MMA message board I frequent.

Boxing fans are the ones that boycotted the Andre Berto fight.

You got it backwards. Hardcore boxing fans...or I suppose I'd argue hardcore PPV boxing fans order EVERYTHING. In fact I used to be that guy. I ordered EVERY fight. I ordered EVERY combat sport fight. I ordered toughmen fights ffs. I gave no f#cks. If people we're punching each other in the head I was watching.

So no hardcore fans didn't boycott Floyd vs Berto so much as the casual fans didn't come. Floyd vs Berto didn't attract the casual fans was the problem. There aren't THAT many boxing fans to drop a guy to 450k or whatever Floyd vs Berto did. 450k is the guys who buy everything boxing on PPV + some casuals who didn't get the memo no casual fans care about that fight.

Casual fans are the ones that will buy this and if they can buy Canelo one week and Ronda then next and then Mcgregor 3 weeks later I'm sure they have no problem buying Floyd/McGregor and the next month buying Canelo/GGG.

Again idk wtf Ronda & Aldo vs Conor got to do with a damn thing. Casual fans aren't universal to both combat sports per se. But there are casual MMA fans & casual boxing fans & a smaller base of combat sports or just sports in general casual sports fans. And sure there is some intersection in there, but there is much more unconnectedness there then you think.

You trying to keep the argument only to boxing PPVs when A there are so few that are even PPV let alone big fights and then you make one argument that casuals are buying this but harp about boxing fans. Both of these are cross over fights where the majority buying them are not hardcore boxing fans.

I've long contended GGG vs Canelo isn't THAT causal fan oriented of a fight. Canelo hasn't sold or barely sold 1M PPV's as the A side depending on who you believe & GGG gots like 300k or less PPV buys lifetime. And its gonna get extremely overshadowed now with all the Conor vs Floyd news that will be dominating sports news let alone boxing news.

Plus lets be real. Canelo doesn't even like to pretend he speaks English & GGG isn't being quite as cute in the things he's saying as of late so there is gonna be little to work with to make headlines with in the first place. This promotion is probably gonna look like Ward vs Kovalev III for the next 2 & a half months. If I was Oscar I'd do the minimum til after Floyd vs Conor & then go ham for those last couple weeks showing up on every TV, podcast & whatever I could.

Honestly I don't even see whats to argue here that Conor vs Floyd didn't just buttf#ck GBP, Canelo & GGG out of millions of dollars. Nothing I'm saying is crazy if you put a little thought into the economics & advertising of these two fights that just got drastically altered for GGG vs Canelo.

The people buying these have enough disposable income to buy 1 and then buy the other a month later if they want. If you broke and have zero money in your wallet you ain't buying any PPV in the first place. You really trying to pretend like they selling PPVs to someone who can't afford to keep the lights on so the last 100 bucks are going to Floyd LMAO

Something like 70% of people in the US are living check to check brother. I don't think as many people as you think will be doubling down on these PPV's & the event for casuals, which dictate the bigger PPV outcomes I think we both agree on, are followers that will steer towards the bigger crowd which will be looking at Floyd vs Conor.

Honestly surprised you are in such disagreement with me about this. I'm already anticipating Oscar's early-Oct rant about GGG vs Canelo not doing as well BECAUSE of Floyd vs Conor although he'll steer it towards it being a sh^t fight, even if it wasn't, more than he'll make it about money, but its clearly a money thing.

Most people only make a certain amount of disposable/entertainment money within a certain time frame & expecting a sizable segment of casual fans to throw $170ish at boxing in 3 weeks when they got to pay $1,500 for rent & $350 on a car note & whatever for heat & electric & their phone & etc & so on is a HUGE ask of them.

[bleach]

Boxing doesn't have the same audience size as blockbuster movies.

not to mention the difference in price

[Kigali]

Lol @ all the black panthers happy about this fight. So oscar Punked floyd and the ufc for a date they were saving and out of desperation they move the daye up. How does this make oscar look bad? Lol

Why is this baby d*cked loser so OBSESSED with Black people???

We ain't the ones that made the Philippines the #1 destination for Pedophiles.

Be mad at THEM for a change you stumpy little weakling.

[Kigali]

You Fagweather pole smokers are high-fiving each other because of the fight, thinking Oscar is going relapse. Thinking the Canelo/GGG is going to fail because this farce of a fight.

But much like what happened after the Gay/Pac fight, Canelo is going to put on a better performance and entertain the fans.

This oily mofo is so gay it's not even funny.

[Kigali]

Thas what im talm bout. As long as floyd gets paid yo. Who cares about a real boxin fight

As if Pactrash vs Horne is a real fight.