Why would oscar relapse if he punked floyd for the september date?

[fathergll]

I'd personally condense it to; "UFC fans and guys who have posters of Floyd in their bedrooms."

So thats what...like 4 million PPV buys?

[Eff Pandas]

It's 3 weeks apart not the same night. Huge blockbuster movies come out a few weeks apart and both do monster numbers.

Boxing doesn't have the same audience size as blockbuster movies.

you are nuts if you think Mexicans are not going to watch this. 400K? Canelo/GGG at worst does 1.25m. At best 2m buys.

I didn't say it would do 400k lol. I said there is a difference between the people who watch a 400k buy fight vs a 1M+ buy fight. Those are casual fans & Floyd vs Conor just hijacked a bunch of casual fans who don't got $170 to spend on boxing in a 3 week window.

And if we could trust GBP with not lying about numbers like he's been proven a liar with the Canelo vs Khan numbers I'd bet you max epoint in a second that GGG vs Canelo doesn't do 1.25M buys now.

Floyd was shut out the Sept date he wanted. If not Floyd out of ego might legit of went forward and forced consumers to choose which one to buy. Now fans who like both can buy both. Fans who weren't going to buy one or the other still won't. This will cater to UFC fans more then boxing fans.

If Oscar won the battle for the Sept. date I'd argue he lost the war on the overall outcome here. And this fight isn't for MMA guys lol. This fight is for casual combat sports fans. Which means you get the hardcores of boxing & MMA who buy everything & will have this fight pre-ordered ASAP + the casuals of boxing & the casuals of MMA being exposed to this fight. Canelo vs GGG isn't even gonna be on the map for those boxing casual fans til 2 & a half months from now cuz the media will be focused on the Floyd vs Conor circus. Thus you are drastically cutting into the time GBP has to sell this fight to people who don't even know its happening yet. I don't see how that doesn't end up cutting into the upside for GBP.

And there are tons of examples of huge boxing PPVs airing just weeks from huge UFC PPVs with both events being successful.

Cmon man be reasonable lol. This is a boxing match. You do know boxing & MMA are different sports & got different audiences right? This ain't as difficult or complicated as you are trying to make it. Its simple & it has nothing to do with boxing or MMA reallllly its about money & how much disposable income people have & the window of casual boxing fans being exposed to a 2nd lesser casual fan friendly fight.

If Floyd vs Conor & Canelo vs GGG both do 1M+ buys within a month of each other it'll be the first time thats happened in boxing PPV history.

[Eff Pandas]

History shows it probably won't. Too many examples of Floyd, Manny, Canelo ect fighting on nights where major NBA playoff games including game 7's, MLB games, major football games all aired primetime and drew massive double digit ratings on the same night of PPV fights. Fans watch those event early in the night and have plenty of time to buy a UFC or Floyd PPV afterwards. You are not choosing to buy one and not the other.

Perfect example is Floyd/Manny which aired on the same night as NBA Playoffs game 7, NHL Playoffs, PGA Tour, MLB Red Sox/Yankees, and by the way the Kentucky Dirby. All did good ratings. Because all that happened long before Floyd/Manny fought.

This isn't boxing vs the NBA doe. This is boxing vs boxing. And big names seldom fight on the same day. You're eating your own like a mfer like this. And its not like Cotto isn't a highly sellable guy. There is virtually no reason to have Cotto fight here unless the goal is just to get him active & we aren't trying to make any profit with this fight & to me I think you should always be making profit on a Cotto fight even vs this caliber of opponent.

[Boxfan83]

Lol @ all the black panthers happy about this fight. So oscar Punked floyd and the ufc for a date they were saving and out of desperation they move the daye up. How does this make oscar look bad? Lol

[bigdunny1]

Boxing doesn't have the same audience size as blockbuster movies.



I didn't say it would do 400k lol. I said there is a difference between the people who watch a 400k buy fight vs a 1M+ buy fight. Those are casual fans & Floyd vs Conor just hijacked a bunch of casual fans who don't got $170 to spend on boxing in a 3 week window.

And if we could trust GBP with not lying about numbers like he's been proven a liar with the Canelo vs Khan numbers I'd bet you max epoint in a second that GGG vs Canelo doesn't do 1.25M buys now.



If Oscar won the battle for the Sept. date I'd argue he lost the war on the overall outcome here. And this fight isn't for MMA guys lol. This fight is for casual combat sports fans. Which means you get the hardcores of boxing & MMA who buy everything & will have this fight pre-ordered ASAP + the casuals of boxing & the casuals of MMA being exposed to this fight. Canelo vs GGG isn't even gonna be on the map for those boxing casual fans til 2 & a half months from now cuz the media will be focused on the Floyd vs Conor circus. Thus you are drastically cutting into the time GBP has to sell this fight to people who don't even know its happening yet. I don't see how that doesn't end up cutting into the upside for GBP.



Cmon man be reasonable lol. This is a boxing match. You do know boxing & MMA are different sports & got different audiences right? This ain't as difficult or complicated as you are trying to make it. Its simple & it has nothing to do with boxing or MMA reallllly its about money & how much disposable income people have & the window of casual boxing fans being exposed to a 2nd lesser casual fan friendly fight.

If Floyd vs Conor & Canelo vs GGG both do 1M+ buys within a month of each other it'll be the first time thats happened in boxing PPV history.

BS you don't need to look far UFC has put on PPV's less then a month apart and done over 1m see Ronda Rousey/Holm Nov 15 then Mcgregor/Aldor Dec 12. Oh and Canelo/Cotto sandwiched in there 1 week after Rousey at Nov 21. All blockbuster huge PPVs not 2 but 3 in a 1 month span and all made money.

[Eff Pandas]

BS you don't need to look far UFC has put on PPV's less then a month apart and done over 1m see Ronda Rousey/Holm Nov 15 then Mcgregor/Aldor Dec 12. Oh and Canelo/Cotto sandwiched in there 1 week after Rousey at Nov 21. All blockbuster huge PPVs not 2 but 3 in a 1 month span and all made money.

Smdh lmfao. Bro I expect more from you. That isn't boxing. Thats MMA.

If anything that just saying MMA gots a more loyal & hardcore base cuz they go months & months & years selling 200K+ PPV's with their monthly shows + it just shows the casual audience for MMA is bigger. It doesn't really say anything about boxing.

[bigdunny1]

This isn't boxing vs the NBA doe. This is boxing vs boxing. And big names seldom fight on the same day. You're eating your own like a mfer like this. And its not like Cotto isn't a highly sellable guy. There is virtually no reason to have Cotto fight here unless the goal is just to get him active & we aren't trying to make any profit with this fight & to me I think you should always be making profit on a Cotto fight even vs this caliber of opponent.

So you think fans who buy a Floyd fight that isn't going to air until AFTER midnight are just not going to do anything the entire day? Hell Haymon himself has aired multiple fights ON the same day. PBC early in the night on one network and then later that night on another network. Fans have remotes and plenty of time to watch both. If you have to choose to buy one fight or the other then maybe it would effect Cotto but you literally can watch his fight for free on HBO and then buy Floyd fight later that night. Cotto fight was announced long before anyone knew about Floyd and tickets are already sold. I doubt it's being moved. This is a showcase fight on regular HBO if this were a PPV they would move and not fight head to head but it's not head to head and it's free to HBO subscribers.

[bigdunny1]

Smdh lmfao. Bro I expect more from you. That isn't boxing. Thats MMA.

If anything that just saying MMA gots a more loyal & hardcore base cuz they go months & months & years selling 200K+ PPV's with their monthly shows + it just shows the casual audience for MMA is bigger. It doesn't really say anything about boxing.

First you say this is about casual sports fans now you saying boxing fans are driving this fight? How about you be serious and stick to 1 argument. FACT major PPVs have aired a few weeks apart and casual fans buy both. First you say it's about not having disposable income and not being able to afford 2 PPVs in 1 month and I don't have to look far to fine one example of 3 huge PPVs in 1 month and all were massive successes Ronda and Canelo were 1 week apart. And I went to a house party to see them both filled with non boxing/non UFC fans who were casuals just there for the event. But you telling me casuals who want to see both can't go almost 1 month between these 2 events? SMH

If you want to keep this STRICTLY about boxing fans you are out your mind if you think a boxing fan if he was down to his last dollars is going to choose Floyd/Mcgregor over Canelo/GGG. If you want to bring in Casual fans yes they have enough money to buy 1 PPV in Aug and then buy another in Sept if they want to watch both.

[Teetotaler]

Thas what im talm bout. As long as floyd gets paid yo. Who cares about a real boxin fight

[Eff Pandas]

So you think fans who buy a Floyd fight that isn't going to air until AFTER midnight are just not going to do anything the entire day? Hell Haymon himself has aired multiple fights ON the same day. PBC early in the night on one network and then later that night on another network. Fans have remotes and plenty of time to watch both. If you have to choose to buy one fight or the other then maybe it would effect Cotto but you literally can watch his fight for free on HBO and then buy Floyd fight later that night. Cotto fight was announced long before anyone knew about Floyd and tickets are already sold. I doubt it's being moved. This is a showcase fight on regular HBO if this were a PPV they would move and not fight head to head but it's not head to head and it's free to HBO subscribers.

Cotto is one of the biggest names in the sport he's not Jamal James or something. Fighting on the same day as the biggest fight in boxing history, maybe, isn't a good look for any notable guy let alone a legit draw like Cotto. He's a f#cking boxing trivia question if he fights on the day lol.

But like I said if they just wanna get Cotto active sure keep it. But I think GBP will wanna make money on that fight not just keep him active.

I guess they could include a PPV closed circuit showing of the fight as the main event maybe lol.

I just know if I'm Oscar or Cotto I'm not looking to fight on that date now cuz its cutting into the revenue & to some degree my rep if I'm Cotto & was expecting to do 1M+ ratings with HBO & now that may end up much lower cuz only the boxing nerds are watching.

I mean one can argue Cotto is right up there with the Manny's & Floyd's of boxing without much disagreement with non-fanboys or non-haters & has one of the biggest casual fan bases in the sport so fighting on the same day as one of the few guys with a bigger casual fan base is just not a good move to me call me crazy. But if I'm Cotto & GBP & I just wanna clean the cobwebs than fair play I guess its whatever. I just tend to think Cotto has a bigger ego than I'd have pretending if I was Cotto in this situation & I'd be trying to get out of it if I was in his shoes as stated.