What happens to Floyd's legacy if McGregor beats him?
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In a completely rational world, Floyd's legacy wouldn't be tarnished per se, Conor's would simply grow larger. He will have KO'ed one of the greatest P4P boxers of all time on top of what he's already accomplished in MMA. He'd look like a demi-god.
It would certainly add a whole new dimension to the whole Boxing vs MMA argument. Snobby boxing aficionados love to say that an MMA fighter could never go into boxing and be successful at the top the way a boxer could in MMA, and this would soundly disprove that. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you view it), the public might just interpret it as meaning that MMA fighters are just superior to boxers in general, and ******s would probably be spitting out threads like, "How would McGregor do against Leonard or a prime Pacquiao?", etc. Boxing's image as a sport might be permanently damaged.Comment
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I'd argue ones image & legacy aren't exactly the same thing. Floyd or any 35, 36, 37 year old or older P4P discussed boxers legacy is pretty much figured out by that point in his career where the downslide tends to happen for most fighters. You can't f#ck up a old guys legacy THAT much. Whats done is done.It would diminish any champions image to lose to a guy making hes pro debut. It's just inevitable. It's not like he retired 15 years ago. He's physically comparable and lives in an age where fighters are very successful into their late 30s and 40s.I live in South London and although there are a comparable number of boxing gyms to MMA gyms, I know firsthand that there are alot more young boys and teens doing boxing here than MMA, who already largely tend to be mature adults. Seeing how kids largely go by image, watching the best boxer in the world getting chinned by an MMA guy who was doing boxing first time ever as an experiment is gonna lose recruits for sure.
Images are another matter & are always fluid to some degree. I mean look no further then Bill Cosby. Guy went from America's dad to America's rapist. His image got f#cked up, but I'd argue his legacy is still pretty solid. The Bill Cosby Himself comedy special is still one of the funniest comedy specials around. That can't be altered THAT much. Its funny regardless of how many chicks he may or may not have roofied.Comment
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LOL but yea I don't really disagree with anything you're speculating on.In a completely rational world, Floyd's legacy wouldn't be tarnished per se, Conor's would simply grow larger. He will have KO'ed one of the greatest P4P boxers of all time on top of what he's already accomplished in MMA. He'd look like a demi-god.
It would certainly add a whole new dimension to the whole Boxing vs MMA argument. Snobby boxing aficionados love to say that an MMA fighter could never go into boxing and be successful at the top the way a boxer could in MMA, and this would soundly disprove that. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you view it), the public might just interpret it as meaning that MMA fighters are just superior to boxers in general, and ******s would probably be spitting out threads like, "How would McGregor do against Leonard or a prime Pacquiao?", etc. Boxing's image as a sport might be permanently damaged.
I actually feel like the best thing for boxing WOULD be Floyd losing. I said the same thing about the Manny fight to. "The bad guy" finally losing is what most boxing fans wanna see. To some guy from the Philippines or to some MMA guy from Ireland don't really matter to fans I don't believe.
And I think a Conor W just ensures he fights again vs Manny, Terence Crawford, Errol Spence or Keith Thurman & gets beat by that guy & getting that "demi-god" power right back into boxing since Conor's legacy in boxing will have greatly risen & fallen right back into boxing.
If the latter 3 names is the guy who beat the guy who beat Floyd he's pretty much gonna be the next guy moving forward into boxings future.Comment
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In boxing its really easy to go back and pull apart anyone's resume by being smart in retrospect. Seriously, give me a fighter and i can do it. I remember at the time what it meant when Floyd beat Hernandez and Manfredy, Corralles ect. But it's easy to pull apart even he's best wins. Pac had been flattened by Marquez, he fought a faded Mosley, Trout handled Cotto easy and who's Trout beat otherwise?. ect. Not my opinion, but that's how easy it is. If Floyd got flattened by a guy who's having he's first match, who's never even boxed a four rounder, he's legacy will be damaged. The image at the end will effect the perception of what he's legacy actually is. He wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt if he becomes the only champion in history beaten by a total novice . As for Bill Cosby, I'd refer you to the case of Jimmy Saville here in England. Beloved national treasure until he's death, now poster boy for high level corruption and kiddy fiddling. They even dug he's posh grave up. Theres no positive legacy, despite being the most prolific charity fundraiser ever seen in the UK. Some things do wipe out everything you ever did.I'd argue ones image & legacy aren't exactly the same thing. Floyd or any 35, 36, 37 year old or older P4P discussed boxers legacy is pretty much figured out by that point in his career where the downslide tends to happen for most fighters. You can't f#ck up a old guys legacy THAT much. Whats done is done.
Images are another matter & are always fluid to some degree. I mean look no further then Bill Cosby. Guy went from America's dad to America's rapist. His image got f#cked up, but I'd argue his legacy is still pretty solid. The Bill Cosby Himself comedy special is still one of the funniest comedy specials around. That can't be altered THAT much. Its funny regardless of how many chicks he may or may not have roofied.Last edited by bluepete; 06-13-2017, 04:43 PM.Comment
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Well yea I'm not disagreeing with any of that or saying anything that would go against any of that. I'm not saying a L doesn't damage ones legacy at all. A L effects you as a boxer for sure. I'm saying the things one has done previous to that L don't get erased & the older you are when that L comes or the potential circumstances of that L impact things as well. A guy losing in his prime is gonna be more impactful in a negative way to a fighter who loses a fight when he's young or old. A guy losing a controversial decision or via some weird situation a ref mishandled isn't gonna be as negatively felt to your legacy then if you get whitewashed 0-12 or KO'd in 3 rounds after getting dropped 4 times.In boxing its really easy to go back and pull apart anyone's resume by being smart in retrospect. Seriously, give me a fighter and i can do it. I remember at the time what it meant when Floyd beat Hernandez and Manfredy, Corralles ect. But it's easy to pull apart even he's best wins. Pac had been flattened by Marquez, he fought a faded Mosley, Trout handled Cotto easy and who's Trout beat otherwise?. ect. Not my opinion, but that's how easy it is. If Floyd got flattened by a guy who's having he's first match, who's never even boxed a four rounder, he's legacy will be damaged.
I've only heard of that pedo guy in passing & don't know his work or rep in anyway whatsoever so I can't really comment on it, but maybe rubbing up on kids is one of the lines crossed where images & legacies can be corrupted equally idk. I just know a 40 year old boxer losing a fight isn't gonna f#ck THAT much with what he did at 21, 26, 31 & later in his career. This is a young mans game & Cosby in 1983 was more funny than maybe anyone in the world & however many ladies he ****d can't change that fact.The image at the end will effect the perception of what he's legacy actually is. He wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt if he becomes the only champion in history beaten by a total novice . As for Bill Cosby, I'd refer you to the case of Jimmy Saville here in England. Beloved national treasure until he's death, now poster boy for high level corruption and kiddy fiddling. They even dug he's posh grave up. Theres no positive legacy, despite being the most prolific charity fundraiser ever seen in the UK. Some things do wipe out everything you ever did.Comment
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I see people bringing up the name Spinks but not the right one. Leon Spinks beating Ali would have to be the closest you could possibly get and even then at least Leon was a decorated amateur even if he was a terrible pro. Still a lot consider Ali the greatest and he lost to a total novice pro while still champ who never amounted to squat.
If you can be the greatest catching a past prime loss like that then you can still be considered pretty highly with any past prime loss. It would sucks for Floyd and hurt a bit, he would certainly be the butt of many jokes and memes.Comment
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