Comments Thread For: Roach: If Pacquiao Was 100%, Mayweather Would've Lost

[WesternChamp]

Floyd had low numbers for berto. his next fight is not projected to have low numbers. Manny had low numbers with tim, lower with vargas, and now HBO isn't supporting the fight, which suggests the numbers will be even lower.

That is the trend you are ignoring. There is no trend with floyd's numbers.

If floyd didn't fight conor and fought the canelo/ggg winner the numbers would be high.

Manny vs bradley 3 did about the same as floyd vs berto (mind you, that was the 3rd fight between pac/bradley) but you wanna say pac's numbers decline because he lost so bad to floyd. That was floyds last fight and the numbers bombed!

Once again, you're bringing up other stars and say floyd will do good numbers then you shiiiet on pac for doing low numbers against guys like vargas yet you wanna say its low because pac lost to floyd so bad. You see what you did wrong there lol!!!!!

[djtmal]

I am not saying those aren't superstar numbers, I am saying Floyd sold more and at a higher price. He was the clear #1 period. Frankly, to argue otherwise is ridiculous. Cotto has superstar numbers, was he as big as Manny, no.

You can interpret what he said to fit your argument, fine with me. As for my point- there is no debate as to who sold and generated more.

Of course he could, there are just people who pretend otherwise and act like sewing a tiger or alligator on a shirt makes it a le tigre or an Izod.

He was a clear #1 in your opinion of course because you a floyd boy, but to Floyd, apparently, he may have sold more than Manny, but Manny was as big a star numberswise, popularitywise, as floyd, whether you want to admit it, or not. Obviously, to Floyd, it wasn't clear enough to, as he himself said, do things their way.

[WesternChamp]

huh? wtf are you talking about. If you need to deflect rather than just admit what the numbers show so be it.

Im asking you why did floyd/berto bombed, you said its because berto is not known, then you said if floyd fought ggg/canelo/conor then his numbers will be high again, so basically he needs to fight a star to get those numbers, but for manny you ignored all that and say his numbers is low because he lost to floyd so bad. So you think if pac fought canelo/ggg/conor he will still get low ppv because he lost to floyd so bad?? Lol!!!

[djtmal]

Im asking you why did floyd/berto bombed, you said its because berto is not known, then you said if floyd fought ggg/canelo/conor then his numbers will be high again, so basically he needs to fight a star to get those numbers, but for manny you ignored all that and say his numbers is low because he lost to floyd so bad. So you think if pac fought canelo/ggg/conor he will still get low ppv because he lost to floyd so bad?? Lol!!!

if pac signed to fight ggg or canelo, both those fight would do great #s imo...

[The Big Dunn]

He was a clear #1 in your opinion of course because you a floyd boy, but to Floyd, apparently, he may have sold more than Manny, but Manny was as big a star numberswise, popularitywise, as floyd, whether you want to admit it, or not. Obviously, to Floyd, it wasn't clear enough to, as he himself said, do things their way.

Not in my opinion, based on the numbers sold and the price of the tickets. Manny was a big a star, no question. he was just #2, not IMO, but based on the raw numbers-which are facts.

He didn't choose to fight Floyd. Instead, He chose to fight others for less money because, as you posted, he was making money on his own.

He took the lesser of 2 evils-he fought for less money without testing rather than biggest possible purse with testing.

[The Big Dunn]

Im asking you why did floyd/berto bombed, you said its because berto is not known, then you said if floyd fought ggg/canelo/conor then his numbers will be high again, so basically he needs to fight a star to get those numbers, but for manny you ignored all that and say his numbers is low because he lost to floyd so bad. So you think if pac fought canelo/ggg/conor he will still get low ppv because he lost to floyd so bad?? Lol!!!

No, i didn't post that. I posted because berto was less known than manny.

Then I asked you to follow the trend. The numbers are trending lower with each fight. You are ignoring that. I also added that HBO will not be showing the fight on their PPV arm which means lower advertising, no 24/.7 etc.

I made a reasoned case based on facts, none of which you addressed.

Come on dude, pac isn't fighting any of them. he won't even fight Spence , Crawford or Thurman.

[WesternChamp]

No, i didn't post that. I posted because berto was less known than manny.

Then I asked you to follow the trend. The numbers are trending lower with each fight. You are ignoring that. I also added that HBO will not be showing the fight on their PPV arm which means lower advertising, no 24/.7 etc.

I made a reasoned case based on facts, none of which you addressed.

Come on dude, pac isn't fighting any of them. he won't even fight Spence , Crawford or Thurman.

"less known than manny" so you're confirming floyd needs to fight a star to get those numbers!!! so if floyd fought vargas, are you telling me his numbers will be high then?

and i like how you're saying pac wont fight ggg/canelo/conor, yet you wanna bring up that if fight fights conor his numbers will be high yet that fight aint even signed yet but you're using it to fit your agenda but when i bring those names up you shot it down saying pac wont fight them? LOL!!!!

[Bull24]

Floyd made Pacquiao wait until he felt he was beatable. He refused to fight Manny and Cotto until they suffered knockouts and then wanted the fight. Mayweather's career in a nutshell!

[WesternChamp]

Floyd made Pacquiao wait until he felt he was beatable. He refused to fight Manny and Cotto until they suffered knockouts and then wanted the fight. Mayweather's career in a nutshell!

so obvious. "i'll never do business with bob arum"

marquez sparked manny out -2012

all of a sudden, lets make this fight for all the fans!

[ironmt]

No, i didn't post that. I posted because berto was less known than manny.

Then I asked you to follow the trend. The numbers are trending lower with each fight. You are ignoring that. I also added that HBO will not be showing the fight on their PPV arm which means lower advertising, no 24/.7 etc.

I made a reasoned case based on facts, none of which you addressed.

Come on dude, pac isn't fighting any of them. he won't even fight Spence , Crawford or Thurman.

Come on Dunn, to say "he won't even fight Spence, Crawford or Thurman" Is ridiculous considering Floyd will be fighting a guy that got a boxing licence 2 weeks ago. You can't use money as a motivating factor for Floyd fighting Mcgregor when Manny was willing to fight Crawford for somewhere around 20 million.