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Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View PostExactly. I'm not speaking in terms of his age or years as a pro, I'm speaking in terms of whom he has beaten to make him great. No one.
At almost 30 years of age, he has not accomplished much. Look at what the likes of Bradley and Khan did at younger ages.
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Originally posted by soul_survivor View PostWhen he came over and beat Burns and then put on a show against Gamboa, I genuinely thought that by 2017 we'd have seen him in the ring with someone like Pac, Khan, Brook or any other belt holder/name at 147 and nope, we didn't get any of that.
At almost 30 years of age, he has not accomplished much. Look at what the likes of Bradley and Khan did at younger ages.
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Originally posted by CatchAndShoot View PostLet's be honest, at this stage in Pac's career, you really think he wants to fight a better version of Timothy Bradley for half the pay?
Pac showed he was several levels above Bradley, one of the very best and versatile fighters of the last 10 or more years, why would he be worried about TC?
Finally its TC who has put up the road block of wanting to fight at 140 only but that may change. Either way, we have no reason to doubt Pac would want to fight him and the onus should be on the unknown to go out there and make the biggest fight of his career.
But it's not even an issue of TC not fighting Pac, its the issue that you can count his truly world class wins on one hand and without needing all 5 fingers...for a guy who is almost 30 and a decade into the sport that's quite sad.
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Originally posted by soul_survivor View PostBradley and Crawford fight nothing alike.
Pac showed he was several levels above Bradley, one of the very best and versatile fighters of the last 10 or more years, why would he be worried about TC?
Finally its TC who has put up the road block of wanting to fight at 140 only but that may change. Either way, we have no reason to doubt Pac would want to fight him and the onus should be on the unknown to go out there and make the biggest fight of his career.
But it's not even an issue of TC not fighting Pac, its the issue that you can count his truly world class wins on one hand and without needing all 5 fingers...for a guy who is almost 30 and a decade into the sport that's quite sad.
They're also both technical counter punchers that can fight on the inside and at mid range, but aren't scared of a dog fight, and will pressure when need be, and also can play the counter punching game.
That's actually Manny's best weight class, and would've been even tougher for TC. I'm not saying Pac ducked him, but it's completely understandable to not want to fight a young, and pretty much in his athletic prime, slick counter puncher with pop, and a beard, while getting almost no recognition, besides hardcore fans.
Are you high on drugs? How many champions right now have actually unified their divisions, and fought the legit best opponent in their weight class? Even Danny Garcia didn't want to fight Postol. Hell, I can only think of Ward that's done that. And please don't act like tons of fans weren't calling it a 50/50 before the fight, and that Postol has all the tools to "school", and beat/expose TC. Also, beating Ricky Burns in his backyard is a huge deal. The same guy Broner ducked, and fought little Eloy freaking Perez, while TC did his dirty work. And Dulomry, Beltran, and Lundy are very high quality wins.
Those are world class fighters, but without the name. And I didn't even mention Gamboa. He's a legitimate 140 lb. fighter, and like you said, he's 30. So it's not like he's some young kid with room to grow into his body. This is his grown man body. And if he moved up right now, I'd favor him against most of the top WWs, besides Manny, and Brook. I think he beats the breaks off Thurman, and the rest. And I only favor Brook, because we haven't seen TC at 147, besides the Prescott fight, but I won't really count that as a high quality WW win.Last edited by CatchAndShoot; 05-18-2017, 06:16 AM.
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Originally posted by CatchAndShoot View PostYeah, TC's the much cleaner counter puncher, with more power, and has controlled aggression for the most part, and not wild and sloppy aggression at times. And TC has better footwork, and foot speed. Also, I haven't seen TC gas, ever. Bradley gets winded by the 4th or 5th round, because he lets it all out in every single exchange.
They're also both technical counter punchers that can fight on the inside and at mid range, but aren't scared of a dog fight, and will pressure when need be, and also can play the counter punching game.
That's actually Manny's best weight class, and would've been even tougher for TC. I'm not saying Pac ducked him, but it's completely understandable to not want to fight a young, and pretty much in his athletic prime, slick counter puncher with pop, and a beard, while getting almost no recognition, besides hardcore fans.
Are you high on drugs? How many champions right now have actually unified their divisions, and fought the legit best opponent in their weight class? Even Danny Garcia didn't want to fight Postol. Hell, I can only think of Ward that's done that. And please don't act like tons of fans weren't calling it a 50/50 before the fight, and that Postol has all the tools to "school", and beat/expose TC. Also, beating Ricky Burns in his backyard is a huge deal. The same guy Broner ducked, and fought little Eloy freaking Perez, while TC did his dirty work. And Dulomry, Beltran, and Lundy are very high quality wins.
Those are world class fighters, but without the name. And I didn't even mention Gamboa. He's a legitimate 140 lb. fighter, and like you said, he's 30. So it's not like he's some young kid with room to grow into his body. This is his grown man body. And if he moved up right now, I'd favor him against most of the top WWs, besides Manny, and Brook. I think he beats the breaks off Thurman, and the rest. And I only favor Brook, because we haven't seen TC at 147, besides the Prescott fight, but I won't really count that as a high quality WW win.Last edited by Sheldon312; 05-18-2017, 08:42 AM.
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Some fans are ridiculous; Crawford will duck Postol, fights him, schools him and then "he's scared of a challenge, he's ducking everyone". Also, he's 29 and been a World Champion for, what 3 years? Why does a fighter need at ATG resume right away? Why do we always have to hold fighters against legends right away?
Regarding Crawford. He's clearly one of the best fighters in the World and is improving (most other pound for pound guys are not improving), he stays in the gym all year perfecting his craft and is a pure fighter at heart. He's stepped up when asked (Prescott on short notice, undefeated Klimov eliminator, Burns in Scotland, Gamboa, Beltran, Dulorme, Postol) and dominated every one. His biggest problems will be getting fights because he's with Top Rank and PBC guys won't be that eager to face him. His relationship with the press isn't great and he doesn't seem too into the promotional side of things which you really need these days so it's not like he's a big payday for guys and he's almost certainly a loss for pretty much everyone. Doesn't fit into the PBC model to fight a guy like Crawford so Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, Thurman are all unlikely opponents. Pacquaio I tend to think would fight him but Roach and Koncz want nothing to do with it.
Hope I'm wrong, but I think it's going to be tough for Bud to get the type of fights that take him to the next level. He definitely has the skills and talent to dominate for years though.
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