Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: After Beating Golovkin, No Doubt Canelo is Top P4P!

[Robi13]

how do you know if Canelo is at his peak or not? Fighters peak and decline all at different ages. Why don't you see when guys like Tyson, Benitez and Fernando vargas peaked and then on the other end comparing to when Bernard Hopkins or Lennox Lewis peaked. As far as Canelo beating ggg easily, what excuse will you have if the exact opposite happens??

No excuses on my part I believe Canelo would of beat ggg at any stage in their respective careers because simply put, Canelo is the more skilled boxer period! If Canelo loses in sept, I will tip my hat to ggg and you won't hear any excuse from me... Let's bet if you so confident!!

[Damn Wicked]

Whether Canelo beats GGG or not ODH is right that Canelo continues to improve and that we haven't seen the best of him. He's brave, ambitious, dedicated and highly skilled. It will be interesting to see if he becomes truly great. It is fascinating to see how greatness demands great challenges. The recent Joshua Klitschko matchup was an example of one fight exalting both men. Canelo needs GGG. And GGG needs Canelo. For GGG it is toward the end of his career. For Canelo the beginning, so even a loss (if a Joshua Klitscho type loss) will only build him. If this fight lives up to expectations, and I think it will, it's a win win.

Or...., a prolonged beating and a war can be the beginning of the end for Canelo. It depends how much it takes out of him and if he can get his confidence back...., IF he loses. Many fighters are never the same after getting KO'd, so I couldn't say with any confidence that he would rebound successfully and/ or completely.

[rrayvez]

No excuses on my part I believe Canelo would of beat ggg at any stage in their respective careers because simply put, Canelo is the more skilled boxer period! If Canelo loses in sept, I will tip my hat to ggg and you won't hear any excuse from me... Let's bet if you so confident!!

I believe ggg will win but there is 1 main reason why I wouldn't bet on him, Canelo has and will continue to get the benefit of the doubt from the judges in all of his fights. If he were to beat ggg clean with no controversy then fine, but history shows that he gets lopsided scorecards in his favor. For example, a draw vs Floyd, 10 rounds to 2 vs trout, 9 rounds to 3 vs Lara, 11 rounds to 1 vs cotto, leading on the scorecards vs khan prior to the ko. Unless ggg kos canelo (which won't be easy) or truly dominates him for 12 rounds where it'd be impossible to take the fight from him (in a similar one sided fashion as Canelo just beat Chavez jr), I'd see anything even semi competitive go in Canelos favor on the scorecards. He's the bigger name and the younger fighter so boxing would benefit more from him winning.

[Gate keeper]

no excuses ggg was 34 last year! Did he decline that much in one year? They both signed because they both believe they can win. Nothing else matters.

Who's claiming he declined by a lot since last year? I mean it's not as if he was in his prime then either. Physically, he's probably been on a decline since 29 or 30. The higher the level of opposition, the more the age disparity will matter. You're acting as if age is some made up disadvantage and if GGG was in his prime a year ago. I'm just saying GGG still comfortably beats Canelo despite the age disadvantage

[KING5TWENTY]

I do believe he will be at his best at 28 or 29 years old. This kid is campaigning to be #1 p4p at age 26 thats insane. He shouldnt even be fighting a opponent of gggs level and experience at his age.

[Real King Kong]

Agree with you on who you beat matters. Not so much as how because when you fight better opponents you tend not to win by KO or UD as clearly as when you fight lower level guys.

Would ESPN put an HBO fighter like Canelo at #1 in that scenario, probably. You know Carlos Narvaez and Joe Cortez would vote Canelo #1 since they have him at #1 and #2 respectively right now.

As for the other, more reputable lists I can't see it because Ward and Kov are ranked ahead of both Canelo and GGG.

That's why it's that much more impressive when a fighter sets himself apart from the other elites emphatically. Personally, i still rate ward/kovalev higher...but if canelo or ggg score an impressive victory and ward and kovalev still don't separate themselves from eachother, then i wouldn't be mad at any list tyat moved ggg or canelo to #1.

[robbyheartbaby]

I am enjoying the Canelo era. I first saw him against Cotto's brother years ago and he almost got KTFO, and I remember the commentator saying he was like 19 years old with over 30 pro fights! Win or lose against GGG, he does take big fights and he will be around for another 10 years so his career will continue regardless of whether he loses to Golovkin or not.

[texasboi15]

Against Kovalev Ward looked too awkward damn near clumsy to be considered P4P.

Whether you feel he squeaked out a victory or got a gift decision he wasn't crafty at all that night.

He seemed too shaky and too unassured to warrant any definite claim to the p4p title.

[STAX ON DECK]

i can except that,,,,,

plus it will soldify floyd as the G.O.A.T

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[sterilizer]

Of course there is Oscar. First off
P4P is some mythical completely subjective bs. And secondly Canelo won't be the only guy in boxing who's beat the #1 guy in his division after several beating several bs fighters has of late. That Thailand cat just did that to Roman Gonzalez for just one example. Is he P4P #1 right now for that W? Should he be?

SUBJECTIVE. As in "to each their own."

For example, even if most of the "boxing experts," who are American in their majority of course, claim that Mayweather Jr. is the best of his era, many other lesser known experts and commentators, who don't even speak English as a first language and of course ARE NOT Americans, claim that Manny Pacquiao is the best of his era.

This year and the subsequent years, they may claim that Ward or Crawford will be the #1 P4P, in spite of what the rest of the world thinks about the ratings.

So, whatever a publication says, is not official or mandatory, for people to go for and be forced to believe in.

The Ring magazine (or Ring TV) is an American boxing magazine, that apparently is the "bible" for rating the so-called P4P fighters every year.

One must stress the word "American." That will thrash its credibility immediately.

Let's say both Ward and GGG win their fights, and there's no controversy in any of the two cases. Of course, they will choose Ward as the #1 P4P, over GGG.

The Ring Magazine cannot force me, nor can it force publications, fans, commentators outside America, to agree with such a ranking.

Others may end the year considering GGG or Lomachenko the #1 P4P.

BOTTOM LINE, it is "subjective." Just as judges see things. But the fact that there's discussion about all this, that box is finally reviving itself with fighters that ACTUALLY FIGHT as opposed to running and clinching (not all of them, but the likes of GGG, Kovalev, Lomachenko, Canelo, Mikey Garcia, and even Crawford to a lesser degree, they get in the ring TO FIGHT, not to use defensive tricky tactics like others we know very well who they are).

Being fan-friendly should be a requirement for becoming a P4P fighter but it is not, and that is one thing that makes this issue even more controversial.