Revenue - Boxing Vs UFC

[Eff Pandas]

GGG-Canelo will sell an absolute ridiculous amount of buys

Whats a ridiculous amount?

[Lomadeaux]

Good question.

I don't see how the fight won't generate around 15-17M at the gate, and around 1.5 - 1.8 M buys at 70 dollars each. They'll probably try and charge 74.99.

PPV alone will generate around 100M at least wouldn't you think?

[Eff Pandas]

Good question.

I don't see how the fight won't generate around 15-17M at the gate, and around 1.5 - 1.8 M buys at 70 dollars each. They'll probably try and charge 74.99.

PPV alone will generate around 100M at least wouldn't you think?

Depends on the pricing like you bring up. I'm waiting on some more solid numbers on the Chavez fight.

I definitely didn't think it'd hit 100M in revenue pre-Chavez. Previously I felt 1.2M buys was the ceiling so with your price tag that's fairly close to 100M with my old expectation (16M off), but if the Chavez fight did over a mill like its rumored to have done I might lift the ceiling.

1M buys as the A side is a pretty big milestone for Canelo or any boxer to get to. Only a small number of cats have ever done that (Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson & Holyfield). And I didn't expect Canelo to hit that til the GGG fight at best after he failed to do it vs Cotto.

[RetroSpeed05]

MMA
(2010) UFC 114 Evans vs Jackson 1.05M
(2010) UFC 116 Lesnar vs Carwin 1.16M
(2010) UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez 1.05M
(2013) UFC 168 Weidman vs Silva 1.02M
(2015) UFC 193 Rousey vs Holm 1.10M
(2015) UFC 194 McGregor vs Aldo 1.02M
(2016) UFC 196 McGregor vs Diaz 1.31M
(2016) UFC 200 Tate vs Nunes 1.00M
(2016) UFC 202 McGregor vs Diaz 1.65M
(2016) UFC 205 McGregor vs Alvarez 1.30M
(2016) UFC 207 Nunes vs Rousey 1.10M

Actually surprised a female main event without Ronda did that high.

[Eff Pandas]

Actually surprised a female main event without Ronda did that high.

It was UFC 200 which was being sold as a big event. In general their July fights are kinda like May & Sept. for boxing fans. They call it International Fight Week & tend to have 2-3 cards in Vegas with the PPV being the main one.

UFC 200 was overall a huge clusterf#ck. McGregor vs Diaz II was supposed to headline, but then the UFC & Conor had beef so the UFC scrapped their fight til UFC 202. Jones vs Cormier II was supposed to headline after that til Jones got popped for **** pills within 24 or 48hrs of the event lol.

So Tate vs Nunes got thrust into the main event spot with 24 to 48hrs til fight time. And maybe the most important part of the equation is Brock Lesnar's comeback fight was the co-main which surely boosted up the numbers as he boosted up numbers previously pre-headlining back in the day.

CM Punk's main card fight got some higher numbers for that particular PPV too. The guy who headlined (Stipe Miocic) did 2x his previous best main event spot PPV numbers. Wrestling fans are very PPV friendly.

[Lomadeaux]

CM Punk's main card fight got some higher numbers for that particular PPV too. The guy who headlined (Stipe Miocic) did 2x his previous best main event spot PPV numbers. Wrestling fans are very PPV friendly.

That's one of the main reasons it'll never get to the level of boxing. People who have brains and $ to spend don't want to see "CM Punk". They want to see an elite level athlete. Wrestling and UFC fans are very much alike however and they tend to like either or.

[Eff Pandas]

That's one of the main reasons it'll never get to the level of boxing.

LOL I'd argue MMA is at the level of boxing or greater already in the US where its been mostly promoted at its highest level at. Plus MMA is still growing. Its certainly an arguable topic & largely depends on what dynamics you look at & where you regionally look at those details at. For example I know the biggest bout in the last decade or so in the US for MMA got 9M viewers & the biggest boxing match got 6M viewers & boxing fans largely sh^t on that 6M number cuz it was sandwiched between Olympic events.

People who have brains and $ to spend don't want to see "CM Punk". They want to see an elite level athlete.

Well people that have brains don't usually watch as much boxing, MMA or sports in general than all of us probably do in fairness.

So to get the non-hardcore fans buying PPV's you gotta entice them with sh^t like that. Boxing is guilty of it to.

This Chavez fight last weekend is a perfect example of hustling the public at large. Just about every boxing fan knew it was a complete bs fight, but they enticed those Mexican casual boxing fans to buy to make it the first 1M+ buy PPV in boxing since Floyd vs Manny 2 years ago.

Wrestling and UFC fans are very much alike however and they tend to like either or.

Idk about that. I think MMA fans are for sure open to more combat sports, but that's kinda cuz MMA is all about being open to more combat sports hence its name Mixed Martial Arts. Just about every MMA guy is a fan of boxing cuz it was the biggest combat sport when most of the guys fighting now were growing up so they have fond memories of boxing like most of us here do.

Idk that the fans specifically are alike. I think WWE fans might just be super loyal is the thing. They support their guys whatever they do unlike boxing or MMA fans it seems like. So when a WWE guy makes a movie or goes to MMA or what have you those WWE fans support that wrestler. Meanwhile boxing & MMA guys are like f#ck beats by dre & reebok if anything lol.

[Lomadeaux]

LOL I'd argue MMA is at the level of boxing or greater already in the US where its been mostly promoted at its highest level at. Plus MMA is still growing. Its certainly an arguable topic & largely depends on what dynamics you look at & where you regionally look at those details at. For example I know the biggest bout in the last decade or so in the US for MMA got 9M viewers & the biggest boxing match got 6M viewers & boxing fans largely sh^t on that 6M number cuz it was sandwiched between Olympic events.



Well people that have brains don't usually watch as much boxing, MMA or sports in general than all of us probably do in fairness.

So to get the non-hardcore fans buying PPV's you gotta entice them with sh^t like that. Boxing is guilty of it to.

This Chavez fight last weekend is a perfect example of hustling the public at large. Just about every boxing fan knew it was a complete bs fight, but they enticed those Mexican casual boxing fans to buy to make it the first 1M+ buy PPV in boxing since Floyd vs Manny 2 years ago.



Idk about that. I think MMA fans are for sure open to more combat sports, but that's kinda cuz MMA is all about being open to more combat sports hence its name Mixed Martial Arts. Just about every MMA guy is a fan of boxing cuz it was the biggest combat sport when most of the guys fighting now were growing up so they have fond memories of boxing like most of us here do.

Idk that the fans specifically are alike. I think WWE fans might just be super loyal is the thing. They support their guys whatever they do unlike boxing or MMA fans it seems like. So when a WWE guy makes a movie or goes to MMA or what have you those WWE fans support that wrestler. Meanwhile boxing & MMA guys are like f#ck beats by dre & reebok if anything lol.

LOL.. I think you need to look at MMA when it comes to "screwing the public". McGregor and Rousey, two completely sub-par athletes trying to be billed as the baddest people on the planet. Remember when Rousey could have "beaten any man". LOL...

You don't look at revenue properly. dictator of revenue for a sporting event. PPV's are wonderful but there's a lot of $$ that is removed for a myriad of reasons.

[Eff Pandas]

LOL.. I think you need to look at MMA when it comes to "screwing the public". McGregor and Rousey, two completely sub-par athletes
trying to be billed as the baddest people on the planet. Remember when Rousey could have "beaten any man". LOL...

Oh so the winning of an Olympic medal isn't a good measure of talent? Cmon man you show your hand right here. Fair enough if you just are a boxing fan more than a MMA fan & will support boxing over MMA all day & never see a problem with anything boxing is doing over MMA. Or you don't even like MMA at all if that's the case. Hell I like boxing more than MMA, but I am a MMA fan & I'm definitely looking at things from a realistic POV for both sports cuz I care about both sports & have no desire to sh^t on one sport over the other. I can hype both sports or I can sh^t on the problems with both sports as I see fit to. And the simple reality is the UFC specifically & MMA as been doing more right than boxing lately. That's just what it is.

You don't look at revenue properly. dictator of revenue for a sporting event. PPV's are wonderful but there's a lot of $$ that is removed for a myriad of reasons.

Don't understand what you mean here. How am I not looking at revenue properly? Like I said early on one of the biggest problems with exploring revenue is we don't really know the revenue & even if we did we don't know the expenses virtually ever that I'm aware of. I do know that the UFC is getting more of the PPV money, but they are also reinvesting in MMA. Meanwhile in boxing more money is going to the fighters who are reinvesting in crocodile skinned lambos & grills & all sorts of other silly sh^t so most of the PPV money in boxing doesn't even get put back into the boxing economy so every fight on PPV is just a money grab for the most part. Boxing needs something like the UFC in boxing that's moving forward the future of boxing not just getting mfers rich.

/rant

[Lomadeaux]

I do know that the UFC is getting more of the PPV money
/rant

How?? .