Comments Thread For: Canelo: Mayweather-Pacquiao Really Hurt Boxing, Especially PPV

[JASON SHAW]

CANELOA VS ANGULO, CANELO VS SMITH, CANELO VS KHAN, CANELO VS CHAVES LMFAO.... ALLL BUMS ON PPV!!! THIS IS WHAT IS KILLING PPV IN AMERICA...... FIGHT GGG YOU COWARD...

[MisanthropicNY]

Manny to be fair almost did it, twice. The problem is that Manny couldn't put two rounds together. Every time he won a round Floyd would punish him in the beginning of the next round and then go defense mode the rest of the round. If Manny could have sustained round 4 and/or round 6 momentum for three rounds then we could have had a fight, but Floyd just completely cancelled that momentum in the following rounds. By round 8 Floyd had adjusted enough to cancel the momentum within the same round instead of waiting for the next. Coz Manny started off well in that round and it looked like we were gonna get another round 4/6 performance but Floyd just started nailing him with counters the rest of the round.

The reality is that Manny became more of a cautious boxer after the Marquez KO. He became a better boxer but less entertaining coz he takes less risks. He was totally scared of taking risks against Floyd, although I also think that Floyd took away a lot of his strengths in that fight.

Trading at mid range is one of Manny's special talents, his combination speed is insane so Floyd took that away, made it a battle of one and one-two speed, coz Floyd knows he is faster in landing the initial blows.

He also took away Manny's in out movement with his own foot movement (circling and backpedalling) combined with check hook counter punching.

Finally, if Floyd made a mistake and got cornered, he used a variation of the shoulder roll I've only seen him use a few times before, and saw him use for the first time against a southpaw, it's where he ducks to the right (under Manny's straight left), and then swings his body leftwards into Manny (to snuff out the follow up combo) and then reverse swing out of the way again, and of course, he also used clinches ever once in a while (although haters will make you think he was clinching every second of the fight whereas there were whole rounds that didn't have clinches and the total number of clinches for the fight was 18, which is an average of 1.5 clinches per ROUND).

A lot of people hated the fight but I loved it. From a technical stand point it was an amazing fight, the skills on display and the tehnical battle was world class chess level. From a casual fan standpoint I get the disappointment. Manny showed he had a high level of technique too, but it was a mistake to try to outwitt Floyd on pure skill alone. By round 11 and 12 Floyd was nailing Manny at will with left hooks, check left hooks, and right crosses. Watch all of his fights and you'll see that Floyd always has something up his sleeve reserved for rounds eleven and twelve.

Manny fought well (technique wise) but he fought the wrong fight and he was too cautious (Marquez KO). I get why people think the fight would have been better before 2011, still think Manny loses but the fight would have been more exciting no doubt.

I actually came back to your analysis again because it's one of the more thought out pro-Floyd analyses. The thing is your analysis has the same fundamental flaw - you believe that the onus to be offensive was on Pacquiao. Floyd didn't have to do anything offensively, all he had to do was not be overwhelmed offensively to win each round. Your analysis only discusses Floyd landing pot shots first when he initiated action - does that win rounds when the other fighter is pressing the action? Did you give Floyd the 2nd or the 12th round? He clearly lost the 4th and 6th, right? After you answer those questions - go see if Manny won any other rounds.

[mrjoeblive]

Manny to be fair almost did it, twice. The problem is that Manny couldn't put two rounds together. Every time he won a round Floyd would punish him in the beginning of the next round and then go defense mode the rest of the round. If Manny could have sustained round 4 and/or round 6 momentum for three rounds then we could have had a fight, but Floyd just completely cancelled that momentum in the following rounds. By round 8 Floyd had adjusted enough to cancel the momentum within the same round instead of waiting for the next. Coz Manny started off well in that round and it looked like we were gonna get another round 4/6 performance but Floyd just started nailing him with counters the rest of the round.

The reality is that Manny became more of a cautious boxer after the Marquez KO. He became a better boxer but less entertaining coz he takes less risks. He was totally scared of taking risks against Floyd, although I also think that Floyd took away a lot of his strengths in that fight.

Trading at mid range is one of Manny's special talents, his combination speed is insane so Floyd took that away, made it a battle of one and one-two speed, coz Floyd knows he is faster in landing the initial blows.

He also took away Manny's in out movement with his own foot movement (circling and backpedalling) combined with check hook counter punching.

Finally, if Floyd made a mistake and got cornered, he used a variation of the shoulder roll I've only seen him use a few times before, and saw him use for the first time against a southpaw, it's where he ducks to the right (under Manny's straight left), and then swings his body leftwards into Manny (to snuff out the follow up combo) and then reverse swing out of the way again, and of course, he also used clinches ever once in a while (although haters will make you think he was clinching every second of the fight whereas there were whole rounds that didn't have clinches and the total number of clinches for the fight was 18, which is an average of 1.5 clinches per ROUND).

A lot of people hated the fight but I loved it. From a technical stand point it was an amazing fight, the skills on display and the tehnical battle was world class chess level. From a casual fan standpoint I get the disappointment. Manny showed he had a high level of technique too, but it was a mistake to try to outwitt Floyd on pure skill alone. By round 11 and 12 Floyd was nailing Manny at will with left hooks, check left hooks, and right crosses. Watch all of his fights and you'll see that Floyd always has something up his sleeve reserved for rounds eleven and twelve.

Manny fought well (technique wise) but he fought the wrong fight and he was too cautious (Marquez KO). I get why people think the fight would have been better before 2011, still think Manny loses but the fight would have been more exciting no doubt.

man what a great analysis of that fight. good job

[FeFist]

He needs to stfu. What classic fight has he given to the sport to speak ill of two ATGs.

[mrjoeblive]

Last week, 90,000 fans packed Wembley Stadium in London for a heavyweight thriller. On Saturday, Mexican rivals Saul "Canelo" Alvarez and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. square off in front of what's expected to be the largest indoor crowd for a bout in Las Vegas. The sport appears to be on the upswing two years after the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Manny Pacquiao blockbuster fight ended with boos and jeers and has been blamed on ensuing disappointing pay-per-view numbers.
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it is so funny to me that people try to put the fate of boxing on one fight. what about all the crappy fights that followed? I'm sure they did a lot to push boxing into the stratosphere. all these B.S. fights on ppv. every fight is not a ppv fight. ggg fighting dudes two wt classes below him. canelo fighting glass jaw khan, these are the type of continuous fights that hurt boxing. all fights are not ppv worthy fights. boxing need to return to mainstream tv to cull new fans from other sports. boxing made its biggest gains when they used to have fights on ABC. all these fights that serve to protect each promoters fighters does a lot to harm the brand of boxing. we need competitive fights to help boxing thrive.

[DinoCop]

Canelo's PPV numbers took a dive and he blames it on Manny and Floyd
Man up and admit that ppl don't buy you anymore since you vacated that belt. MExicans and other fans see you as nothing but a chick.
Btw, MAy-Pac was a great fight. ONly the morons expected a slugfest.

[Mike D]

it is so funny to me that people try to put the fate of boxing on one fight.

Yeah but you can't just boil that fight down as "one fight". That wasn't some regular ole run of the mill fight, or even PPV.

That was the most watched fight in the history of the sport.

[bigdunny1]

This point has been beaten to death and repeated by tons of experts, promoters and other fighters. Canelo is right and anyone with a brain knows it. Floyd/Manny fight was a major let down. Fans had to pay 100 bucks and so many casuals finally gave boxing a chance. But the fight was horrible people were upset felt cheated and robbed of their money which was terrible for the sport. Floyd, manny, etc all made their money but if left the sport in a bad place. Floyd who was drawing 1m for his fights before next fight did only 400k buys. Manny saw his 3rd fight with Bradley do what half what the previous fight did and his next fight did worse. Fans turned on the 2 biggest stars and it's had a ripple effect on the sport. And the line is very clear when it happened and it's that fight. Boxing will rebound it always has but that fight did a lot of damage to the public to non die hard fans.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Yes, but thank god we have you to restore all credibility with your epic, highly competitive ppv matchups against such esteemed opposition as Liam Smith, Amir Khan and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

BIG FACTS!

At least Pacquiao won 3 rounds. Maybe if Canelo would've done better behind the 2.2 million people watching., we would've attracted new boxing fans. But instead he was gun shy and star struck.

He froze and people won't admit it. He choked.

I think it's because Hatton and Maidana proved that you can be in an entertaining fight with Floyd. So people think...well, if Hatton and Maidana could do it, then why couldn't Manny?

This right here

it is so funny to me that people try to put the fate of boxing on one fight. what about all the crappy fights that followed? I'm sure they did a lot to push boxing into the stratosphere. all these B.S. fights on ppv. every fight is not a ppv fight. ggg fighting dudes two wt classes below him. canelo fighting glass jaw khan, these are the type of continuous fights that hurt boxing. all fights are not ppv worthy fights. boxing need to return to mainstream tv to cull new fans from other sports. boxing made its biggest gains when they used to have fights on ABC. all these fights that serve to protect each promoters fighters does a lot to harm the brand of boxing. we need competitive fights to help boxing thrive.

That's Floyd and Manny's fault too somehow...

Yeah but you can't just boil that fight down as "one fight". That wasn't some regular ole run of the mill fight, or even PPV.

That was the most watched fight in the history of the sport.

How do you think the casual fan watching Fury vs. Klitschko felt coming away from that fight?

[-PBP-]

**** out of here. Don't blame them just cause you only appeal to one fanbase and can't put up those numbers.